Why don't you like rap/hiphop ?

[ultimo]

Are you an idiot!?! Do you really think that any of those things were first done by hip-hop idiots? If you do, you need to get out more.

Where did you read "first done" in any part of my reply?
Or it's the fact that YOU can't read or maybe YOU need to get out more!!! That IDIOT-shoutout is really related towards yourself...

Go and read any music magazine with articles related to Hip-Hop and music-gear(lucky you, the computer-music and future music of june/juli cover topics on this!) and then you can "read" what impact hip-hop had on the use of these machines (and visa versa)!! Before hip-hop, mangling with drums and samples was a niche!!! I don't think the raw EMU SP-1200 survived that long, if hip-hop didn't used it till dead!! Go look for the Ensoniq ASR-X and their first marketing strategy.. Exactly, towards hip-hop (trying to get those MPC60/950 users)!! - Just to name a few things -

So, Let the blood in your little BONER flow back towards your brain and do some research first, BONES!!

[bermudagold]

lot of good points here,....but i must say the hippocrisy and complete ignorance of your own prejudices, not to mention the racial dynamic is shortsighted to say the least

1)BS ARGUMENT 1 "Non righteous subject material" -Plenty of other genres have subversive social and moral overtones, but none is hated with the passion with which people hate them in hip hop.....Tom Petty and Willie Nelson can talk about weed and drugs and gettin drunk, but when a hip hop artist talks about its all of a sudden much worse.....you love white italians in the mob movies,...but somehow they are precieved as honorable and having a respect for tradition....blacks do the same crimes to eat and they are savage beasts....Aerosmith can talk about Jamie having a gun, but when a rapper says the same word MTV bleeps it out....MTV bleeps out virtually every word in a rap song today....they have a full time staff trying to keep up with street slang just so they can also bleep every new colloquial word that stands for gun.....the double standard is beyond blatant....Many forms of music have long preached hate..from metal and rock to ancient religious hyms....so what?...name one music that doesn't address or present in favorable light at least one of the seven sins

2)BS ARGUMENT 2 "The subject material is all the same" - Lets be real, all music genres face the same thing....we are not that complicated....human nature is what it is....there is not that much to the human condition....we love, hate, f**k, kill, laugh, cry, and worship....all genres are limited to the basics of what moves us....if one of those in particular dominates your existence ur gonna make more of your songs about it....simple

3)BS Argument 3 "The music all sounds the same"-....Again be real that's why its a genre....i hear tons of rock, country,metal,classical that all sounds the same.....name a form of music that doesn't, and it is genreless....the central theme to a genre is what that group of fans respond to obviously,..thats why they like it and want to hear that sound again....most electronic dance music all sounds extremely similar too and you know it, but because you like it, you and only you try and split it into 30 different genres and call it 30 different things....to the majority of the world its just plain techno.....

4)BS Argument 4 "The music is too simple or/and doesnt require enough talent" -There are many musical styles like this....you trying to tell me therefore that bermudian gombey songs have no value?....or your voice, a drum machine, or a hollow paint bucket aint an instrument?....many rock bands two guys thrash away on guitars the same two chords over and over again....or some lame electronic artist presses a one key ambient pad he designed over a simple looping breakbeat....nobody attacks these guys with this same venom....shit,..some of em you even call brilliant

One of the main reason for the disproportionate passionate distaste is simply the racial dynamic...Rap is majority made by black people....we have seen this many times....thats why you take whatever black kids are doing in the ghetto, water it down, take out the social content, and put a fresh young attractive white face on it and you have acceptance and success....we have seen this mnany times,..from blues, to rock and roll, to jazz, to reggae and ska, and to hip hop....if it was all about the music people wouldn't just buy elvis,they would have bought muddy waters and chuck berry too,...not just jerry lewis, but little richard, not just 311, but burning spear, not just no doubt, but skatalites, not just nsync, they'd buy new edition too, not just eminem, but talib kweli.....but they dont and never will.....easy numbers to prove....all of your perceptions are skewed by race in ways you probably dont even realize....BUT!...here's where the irony comes in....white kids in the states have their own radio stations and nightclubs to listen to black music....why cant they just support the black stations and clubs?....white radio that doesn't play black music forms will play the white american idol chick over a rockwilder beat and gwen stefani over a neptunes beat in between rock songs, but nothing black from those producers even though it is sonically the same....but its all about the music right?....lol

Yet despite all the venom, white people all over the world have made it the number one selling music....blacks are only 12% of america, and even a lower percent in europe,...not to mention they have less disposable income for cd's...hence the bootleg industry on the corner....so why all the passionate disdain?....just stop buying it....or is the crowd on this site just anti anything "popular"?

[foosnark]

Is "personal taste" an adequate answer to this question? I don't like hiphop for the same reason I don't like lima beans.

[stale bread]

dam had to bump this, it's more interesting than the black innovation thread. looks like bermudagold has just
put the smack down and foosnark is on the ropes screamin
he doesn't like lima beans, (i don't either btw)
well i don't know about you folks but its gettin ugly bermudas even numbering his remarks oooh that smarts how is foosnark gonna come back from this one, will he just throw in the towel, or will he begin to 'letter' his counter remarks from a - c

[stale bread]

just funnin guys
I think those were very good points bermudagold made, and I don't think there is anything wrong with anyone not liking hiphop, you know its to each their own but to
denie the points that bermuda made in his post gives way
to a view of a deeper problem. so as someone who just doesn't like hiphop (not me) you.. what do you think of the points in bermudas post, those are the issues that have to be contended with, not the issue that someone just doesn't like something.

[ermi]

I'm listening to The End by The Doors at the moment. Finally realised why I hate hip-hop.

It's just pissin' shit compared to this!!

Then maybe you should check out "Takeover" by Jay-Z.

(I like The Doors a lot, btw.)


bermudagold: a lot of interesting points, there.


Katanaman: The Game and 50 Cent are commercially succesful because they are sold as "gangsters", which have always been interesting, and even respected, at least in the US, IMO.
It's a bit different in Europe, also because it's very difficult to become rich with rap over here.
Still, I would say that songs like "Dreams" or "In the club" are about on the same musical level as some Britney or J-Lo "songs".

[Vibro Larynx]

http://www.anticon.com

Yes, 13 & God is fantastic.
Saw them a couple of weeks ago in Berlin:
Nice freaky show and they really 'rocked' the house.
Their roots b.t.w. are NOT coming from having a poor childhood in a bigtown-ghetto and how they survived and get rich and crap like that.

IMHO, this is my 'problem' with Rap. What I don't like is:
- Overestimation of one own's capabilities ("I had a poor & bad childhood and now I'm famous & rich. Look at me!")
- aimless agressiveness ("I'm a tough guy, and if I don't like you I shoot you in the back.")
- wearing gold chains
- dangling with big ti**ed bitches around hot cars
- and their fuzzy lyrics at all

What I like about (some rare) Hip-Hop is:
- to manage to get listeners excited with top notch grooooooves/licks/pads while not overloading a track structure (I mean listen to DJ Shadow / DJ Krush)
- Jazzy elements (trumpets)

My '50 Cent' about it.

[Vibro Larynx]

...name one music that doesn't address or present in favorable light at least one of the seven sins

http://www.musiciansforworldharmony.org/

[stale bread]

he said name one music, meaning genre, not one group

btw do you know what 13&God write about?

[Vibro Larynx]

he said name one music, meaning genre, not one group

Ok. Honestly, all kind of instrumental music:
Music with no expression (meaning music that don't want to 'tell' or 'convince' you about something), but music with impression. As an example, ehhhmmm: Tortoise, or as afore mentioned DJ Krush (which IS Hip-Hop), Jazz, etc.

btw do you know what 13&God write about?

Not exactly, but I don't care that much about lyrics. But I like his voice and 'appereance'. And I was excited about their music and their energy.

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[stale bread]

well first of al dj krush is definitely trying to tell you something, you might want to do some more checking up on him.
13& God are also trying to tell you something, you should check their lyrics they are very good. I believe that everyone should do what they want like what they want but listening to hiphop and not caring about the lyrics is like listening to guitar and not caring about the notes imho.

[Vibro Larynx]

Vibro Layynx: You can say tits here, no need for stars - look
TITS!
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Jeepers!
You should be banned!

[Vibro Larynx]

well first of al dj krush is definitely trying to tell you something, you might want to do some more checking up on him.

What does DJ Krush want to tell me? Take e.g. the Jaku album:
Ehm 'Transitions', 'Passage', 'Song2'. Nice music b.t.w., and what he wants to tell me? Maybe you can tell me?

13& God are also trying to tell you something, you should check their lyrics they are very good. I believe that everyone should do what they want like what they want but listening to hiphop and not caring about the lyrics is like listening to guitar and not caring about the notes imho.

As I said before, I don't care that much about lyrics. It's about MUSIC. I like the sounds in Hip-Hop music.
B.t.w. DJ Krush also produces Hip-Hop. Some of his records don't use any lyrics at all. Is that not Hip-Hop?

[bermudagold]

I said name one music, and your answer apparently is instrumental music....that rebuttal may be correct, but the original point and argument was in the context of subversive social or maoral overtones or undertones,....so I assumed it was kind of obvious we we were talking about music with vocals and lyrics.....my bad i guess....but still havent heard an answer.....no new insight since yesterday on any of those points....interesting