Why don't you like rap/hiphop ?

[bermudagold]

oh yeah....thanks for getting it stale bread and taking the time to read.....peace

[Vibro Larynx]

I said name one music, and your answer apparently is instrumental music....that rebuttal may be correct, but the original point and argument was in the context of subversive social or maoral overtones or undertones,....so I assumed it was kind of obvious we we were talking about music with vocals and lyrics.....my bad i guess....but still havent heard an answer.....no new insight since yesterday on any of those points....interesting

Ok. If you take out instrumental music, then the answer to your question: 'name one music...' is perhaps: 'No, there isn't...', maybe due to the fact, that every kind of lyrics in any genre of music has meaning & position, which is in other's mind unacceptable. And lyrics somehow in every sense touches sensitive things as love, joy, envy, fear, death, drugs, f**k and what else and in this way relates to at least one of the seven sins.

[Vibro Larynx]

....so I assumed it was kind of obvious we we were talking about music with vocals and lyrics.....

Hmm, I assumed the whole thread is talking about Hip-Hop. And as we can see now, there are different perspectives on the term 'Hip-Hop' (e.g. music-wise vs. political-culture-wise).

[bermudagold]

I said name one music, and your answer apparently is instrumental music....that rebuttal may be correct, but the original point and argument was in the context of subversive social or maoral overtones or undertones,....so I assumed it was kind of obvious we we were talking about music with vocals and lyrics.....my bad i guess....but still havent heard an answer.....no new insight since yesterday on any of those points....interesting

Ok. If you take out instrumental music, then the answer to your question: 'name one music...' is perhaps: 'No, there isn't...', maybe due to the fact, that every kind of lyrics in any genre of music has meaning & position, which is in other's mind unacceptable. And lyrics somehow in every sense touches sensitive things as love, joy, envy, fear, death, drugs, f**k and what else and in this way relates to at least one of the seven sins.

Exactly my point Vibro,....thank you for having objectivity......that is why it is so hippocritical for so many people to point this out as a flaw in hip hop....which illustrates my point that the "unrighteousness" of the content is a BS argument....so back to the real question.....why do so many people find the "unrighteousness" tolerable in the other genres, but so revolting in hip hop?....hmmm

[The Chase]

I'm listening to The End by The Doors at the moment. Finally realised why I hate hip-hop.

It's just pissin' shit compared to this!!

OoOoOoOoOo

For the record, I hate the doors.

[Hink]

I'm listening to The End by The Doors at the moment. Finally realised why I hate hip-hop.

It's just pissin' shit compared to this!!

OoOoOoOoOo

For the record, I hate the doors.

are you slamming the doors?

[foosnark]

are you slamming the doors?

When I used to do that, my mom would make me quietly open and close my bedroom door 100 times. If I complained about it, 200.

The worst punishments are the stupid ones.

[No name]

There should be some sort of coalition featuring various artists against the deterioration of hip hop by means of commercialism! I've spent way too much time in HPC over the past few months I think . It would be nice though to get the best underground artists under a sort of "organization" if you will, that way people will be influenced by it and maybe pay more attention to the underground rather than commercial hip hop out there, and we can change the tides of hip hop and its evolution. Bringing it back to what it was meant to be. MUSIC, not a product.

I admit that I do feel empathy for most of the artists signed to a deal right now, those that have to do and say whatever it takes to sell records. Growing up under such conditions, you strive to get out of there; regardless of what it takes, working hard to live comfortably. I know around here, everyone plans to be one of two things, a musician or an athlete. I stuck to my plans of hoping to become a famous producer for years, and then I woke up. I would like career in music, but i'm not pressing it. Mostly because of the fact that it is a load of bullshit, and I would refuse to work under a company who tried to tell me how to go about doing my music. You gotta do what you gotta do I guess. Then again, I hate the way they go about it, getting shot seems to win points with the kiddies. I seen someone on MTV the other day, it was on their "you hear it first" segment, and he was like "oh I got shot before, shot two people before, yadda yadda." I thought, damn, this man is gonna be popular just because of that. Pisses me off. Since when did hip hop become a competition on who's the most ghetto or who got shot the most times; or even who has the most money or jewels. It was poetry, used to be at least. You would here the things they had to say, and you would hear the way in which they put their words together. I miss substance.

By the way, can't stand 50 cent's new song. blahh! It's crap like this that makes me hold record companies in such contempt. I just wish they would allow real, raw artists a deal and also allow them 100% full creative responsibility over their projects.

[Lady J]

I said name one music, and your answer apparently is instrumental music....that rebuttal may be correct, but the original point and argument was in the context of subversive social or maoral overtones or undertones,....so I assumed it was kind of obvious we we were talking about music with vocals and lyrics.....my bad i guess....but still havent heard an answer.....no new insight since yesterday on any of those points....interesting

Ok. If you take out instrumental music, then the answer to your question: 'name one music...' is perhaps: 'No, there isn't...', maybe due to the fact, that every kind of lyrics in any genre of music has meaning & position, which is in other's mind unacceptable. And lyrics somehow in every sense touches sensitive things as love, joy, envy, fear, death, drugs, f**k and what else and in this way relates to at least one of the seven sins.

One can enjoy music describing, extoling, rejecting or making note of 'the seven sins' without embodying them.

Being on your extreme as I am taught is just much of a trap as being caught up in ONLY worldly 'sinful' passions.

[Lady J]

There should be some sort of coalition featuring various artists against the deterioration of hip hop by means of commercialism! I've spent way too much time in HPC over the past few months I think . It would be nice though to get the best underground artists under a sort of "organization" if you will, that way people will be influenced by it and maybe pay more attention to the underground rather than commercial hip hop out there, and we can change the tides of hip hop and its evolution. Bringing it back to what it was meant to be. MUSIC, not a product.
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Music is always a product. it is silly to believe otherwise. it is just that you want to go to an opposite extreme from where we are now.

why not the middle?

as for the consortium ever check out http://www.guerrillafunk.com/

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[lightshy]

i have one word for all of you: jeru the damaja

ok, it's three, i know

[soulata]

I hate rap because:

- Devoid of melody or chord progressions. It subtracts the two most important elements of music.
- Much of it is really just karaoke.
- Many rap songs lyrics talk about wanting to kill me (white people).
- Much of it talks about killing me over samples of my favorite Zeppelin, P-Funk, Motown tunes, while being devoid of melody and chord progressions.

ditto. except for

It subtracts the two most important elements of music.

I'd rather say the other two important...(if we're thinking of rhythm/harmony/melody - imo none is more important than the other)

[djsubject]

if you dislike rap or hip hop then its probly because you lost your girl to a hip hop head

[Stupid American Pig]

i have one word for all of you: jeru the damaja

ok, it's three, i know

DJ premier + Jeru = good stuff. But I still dont like hip hop on a whole..

[Jace-BeOS]

no new insight since yesterday on any of those points....interesting

Sometimes no response is needed when you point out reality. However, I do take issue with your suggestion that I (not that you pointed fingers at me) might dislike or have issues with R&B or Hiphop because of racial issues.

I dislike ALL forms of isolationist, xenophobic behavior. Be that obsessing over hating a group of people or obsessing over your own group's "uniqueness." It pisses me off how human beings do this.

Gangs, mobs, cliques, cool people, religions, racist organizations, tribes, castes, nationalities, whatever. If the behavior in any way draws attention to differences (either bashing them or praising them) between one "group" and another, I can't stand it.

So... is race an issue on why I don't like this music? Hell no. If it puts itself into the "race topic" on its own, then yeah, it will have to do with race. But only in the sense that I hate divisiveness, xenophobic fear and hatred. Not all Hiphop and R&B is about race issues. There is sub-genres of it that is.

Now, you may be right about a great number of people hating these genres because they are racist. But not everyone. Not me.