Rhodes and B3 are the cheesiest instruments ever.

[butter]

This guy seems to like to piss people off.

[Hink]

the funny thing is if he had either a real rhodes or a B3 for sale they would likely go from cheesy to classic...

[Hewitt Huntwork]

Ok last night before going to bed I rolled my eyes...but you called someone elses music cheesy now...and all I have to say is that makes you arrogant as all hell....

so to the original author...I would like to know, what if any instruments do you play? And where can we hear your music....where I come from we dont criticize unless we can do better. In the case of artistic expression the only way of not "doing better" is not doing anything as none of us have the right to judges other's artistic expression.

So let's hear it...

Hink-y, you know I love ya but I have to point out that your tone here (to my eyes) is not making you sound less arrogant than the dude you're trying to stick it to. I know this cat got your hackles up, but you are better (demonstrated here on a daily basis) than to try to make him feel small.

I also think this thread was meant to be more light-heated than it is being perceived...

I'm sure I have been criticized as much as anyone here (The Boston Phoenix once called me "the Michael Bolton of folk" - ouch). I was happy to be judged and felt it was within the rights of the writer to do so. Many people have judged my music favorably (I've been compared to Bono many more times than Michael Bolton), and I wouldn't want to take away their right to their opinion, either.

In my defense, I don't play folk and I don't sound like Michael Bolton. Apologies to anyone who thinks Michael Bolton is better than Bono.

*EDIT* for spelling.

[vurt]

hmmm bolton or bono?
rock n a hard place really

[Stupid American Pig]

Seriously, I don't know if it can get any cheesier than those two "classic" instruments. Every time I hear them in a song, I just want to roll my eyes... So cheesy I could vomit.

Im late to read this, but a very hearty BOO came out of my mouth when I read this post. Im what is known as an electric piano enthsiast. I have stated many times that I own a rhodes , wurlitzer, and am on the prowl for a reasonably priced Pianet T. I think the one thing that makes I am the walrus such a great song is the thick gritty sound of john playing his pianet.

I thinkn the problem is that for some reason it was fashionable in the 70s to start modifying rhodes pianos to sound more bell like, and then people thought that the DX-7 rhodes was a good sound, and the nail in the coffin was SUPERTRAMP absolutely overusing the wurlitzer till it bacame associated with bad song writing.

Used correctly the electric piano can convey dark/smoky/ gritty/ urban/ darker side of life emotion unlike any other instrument.

The B-3 suffered from alot of people thinking it should be in the front of a mix, when its true calling was to be a pad machine, and play dimenished or eerie chords, and just barely be audible in the mix. The Beatles Long, Long, Long is a perfect use for the B3 organ.

[Lawnmower Of The Damned]

I'm in no position to judge the "cheese factor" of anything. I love black metal, after all!

Speaking of which, the B3 on Samael's "Radiant Star" is simply the funkiest moment in industrial metal history. Pure cheese? Maybe, but I love it.

[Voidoid Surrealist]

I'm in no position to judge the "cheese factor" of anything. I love black metal, after all!

Speaking of which, the B3 on Samael's "Radiant Star" is simply the funkiest moment in industrial metal history. Pure cheese? Maybe, but I love it.

Shit, I've got to track that one down now...I haven't heard Samael in a while, what CD is it on?

[Meffy]

Zounds....how many rods does a bloke need.

The fishing technique shown in the picture is called "trolling." Technically it requires just one rod, but you have to claim (with a straight face and no evidence) that your rod is thicker and longer than anyone else's. Helps if you run down everyone else's fishing gear too.

Mr. Vulich (who posted the photo) and I are often on opposite sides of issues, but on this he is absolutely correct.

[FlounderEye]

Seriously, I don't know if it can get any cheesier than those two "classic" instruments. Every time I hear them in a song, I just want to roll my eyes... So cheesy I could vomit.

I'd always thought the endlessly recreated sounds of my old 80s synths were cheeseball.

Most music is shit anyway, and it has little to do with the instrumentation.

[Hink]

Ok last night before going to bed I rolled my eyes...but you called someone elses music cheesy now...and all I have to say is that makes you arrogant as all hell....

so to the original author...I would like to know, what if any instruments do you play? And where can we hear your music....where I come from we dont criticize unless we can do better. In the case of artistic expression the only way of not "doing better" is not doing anything as none of us have the right to judges other's artistic expression.

So let's hear it...

Hink-y, you know I love ya but I have to point out that your tone here (to my eyes) is not making you sound less arrogant than the dude you're trying to stick it to. I know this cat got your hackles up, but you are better (demonstrated here on a daily basis) than to try to make him feel small.

I also think this thread was meant to be more light-heated than it is being perceived...

I'm sure I have been criticized as much as anyone here (The Boston Phoenix once called me "the Michael Bolton of folk" - ouch). I was happy to be judged and felt it was within the rights of the writer to do so. Many people have judged my music favorably (I've been compared to Bono many more times than Michael Bolton), and I wouldn't want to take away their right to their opinion, either.

In my defense, I don't play folk and I don't sound like Michael Bolton. Apologies to anyone who thinks Michael Bolton is better than Bono.

*EDIT* for spelling.

Well the truth is that I just dont judge music, I have my tastes but every song deserves the respect not being judged imo (perhaps I should of used imo earlier). Criticizing and judging are different, though critics tend to believe they have the right to judge, I do not believe (ironically on random play ELP just came on...) we should criticize that which we do not understand...hence my question...where is he coming from...once I know what he's about then I can decide whether criticism is destructive or constructive.

Criticism can be useful...judgement can't (unless you use it to strengthen your self esteem)...I didn't mean to sound arrogant..and yeah I thought it started as a lark too, that's why I rolled my eyes...but as I read on it appeared more too me that he threw a match on some kindling and was just jumping in to fan the flames some, then running away.

BTW I was gonna say it he needed elp...but I used that the other day and it was a tough room...

The Pheonix, how close are we? Here it comes vurt, brace yerself...the Pheonix is a great source for musicians, or at least was. I haven't read it in years. But the paper cracks me up, you almost gotta buy it with a disclaimer. For those not familiar it's a paper that has always been semi-underground, but with it's ears directly on the pulse of entertainment in Boston. A great source for meeting musicians back in the day, I met many by placing what was then a free ad (I have no idea about the policies now). However a good portion of their income comes from the "adult" section. Escorts, strippers, personnals (the good ones) 1-900 numbers...but nobody ever reads that part

At Mars there was always a copy of the Pheonix in the breakroom...I can't tell you how many times I busted someone "secretly" looking at the adult section...yet put everyone in a room and no one admitted it...even the girls...

I never put the radio on anymore, so what is fnx playing these days?

BTW I don't consider the Micahel Bolton of folk being as being much of a judgement, that's a wordsmith's creative and colorful criticism...if they said you sucked, you sounded like crap, cheesy...yeah that would be one thing. See the way I see it, though I am not one, obviously Bolton has a fan or two, so that could be taken in a positive way as well. But again we know where the Pheonix is coming from and if we want we can research and find out what the critics credentials are, and what his/her patterns are. Of course I doubt you were buttering palms either, which isn't exactly unheard of.

Though in hindsight I will say that I am a huge Queen fan and consider some of their music quite cheesy...so cheesy isn't always bad. But I would have a better understanding of how the author was using it if I had an idea where he was coming from...

[John Vulich]

Mr. Vulich (who posted the photo) and I are often on opposite sides of issues, but on this he is absolutely correct.

We are?

Perhaps it's my irreverent style rubs you the wrong way at times.

[Pete C]

Calling the Rhodes cheesy is retarded. That is the dumbest f-ing statement I have ever read on KvR. I guess Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles, and Herbie Hancock are a bunch of cheeseballs. WTF is wrong with this guy? No respect. I guess everyone should use Viruses and listen to Techstep or Industrial. Because analog is so not cheesy.

[Lawnmower Of The Damned]

Shit, I've got to track that one down now...I haven't heard Samael in a while, what CD is it on?

It's the last track off of "Eternal". If I recall correctly Tristania also had some funky B3 bits on some album or another. I'll listen to my Tristania collection at work tonight and get back to you on which songs.

[TVD]

Seriously , any keyboard synth can be use to create cheese.

Yeah now that you mention it, isn't the purpose of pop music to make stinky cheese accessible to the masses?

....with a Korg Triton at that!!!

[Lawnmower Of The Damned]

Calling the Rhodes cheesy is retarded. That is the dumbest f-ing statement I have ever read on KvR. I guess Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles, and Herbie Hancock are a bunch of cheeseballs. WTF is wrong with this guy? No respect. I guess everyone should use Viruses and listen to Techstep or Industrial. Because analog is so not cheesy.

As someone said earlier, cheese is in the ear of the beholder. I happen to have a tollerance for 120 pound norwegian men with corpse paint growling their lyrics in order to hide the fact that their english pronunciation is hilarious.