Black innovation?

[tee boy]

Heh I hate to break it to you folks but these "race" posts never die, even if you want it to. If it did, the black posters would scream "cover-up". Lord forbid some white poster says something about black ppl good or bad on a forum. I've seen the same shit happen on hiphop forums and it's nothing more than ppl throwin around ideals and opinions.

I dont know mate, I think that there have been some great points on this thread. Ok, the odd troll but shit happens.

This thread has been really eye opening. Its not often you get to talk race issues with such a broad range of people... and it stay civil! A great testiment to the members of KVR imo.

[tee boy]

Lady J,

Out of interest, do you believe the races are genetically predisposed to prefering different types of music? Do you subsribe to these theories that black and hispanic people naturally have 'soul' in their genes?

Or like myself, do you feel it is more a cultural / developmental phenomena?

it's all about climate there's icy tower of a 'soul' that i love in scandinavian and north european music.

Haha, yeh you might be right. I guess its diffcult to 'feel' music when you cant even feel you toes!

[Apparition]

I'd call it civil if ppl weren't so quick to call someone else a racist. If you're going to have discussion on it, immaturity shouldnt be in the itinerary. Yea, there have been good points, but it all boils down to opinion. I'm black but i listen to all kinds of stuff, not what most ppl call "black music" therefore my opinion is going to be totally different from someone who has "black radio" preset on their car stereo.

[zck]

Lady J,

Out of interest, do you believe the races are genetically predisposed to prefering different types of music? Do you subsribe to these theories that black and hispanic people naturally have 'soul' in their genes?

Or like myself, do you feel it is more a cultural / developmental phenomena?

it's all about climate there's icy tower of a 'soul' that i love in scandinavian and north european music.

Haha, yeh you might be right. I guess its diffcult to 'feel' music when you cant even feel you toes!

i didn't say that cold prevents from 'feeling' music on the contrary. There's just different but equaly emotional quality to it. I for sure find more 'feeling' in northern music.

[tee boy]

I guess you just have to take what you want from threads like this. Im happy to hear what people vastly different from myself have to say.

For example, someone around page 13 was talking about how they music is something for black people to be proud of, raising the profile of their communities etc. Id never considered it like that before. I guess in places black people are still disadvantaged, and need have pride in their achievements.

Thats what I take from this thread. Its been very eye opening.

[Apparition]

See both sides of the coin. On one side you have ppl having pride in the projects not being ashamed of where they are, which sounds good. On the other side you have those same ppl not wanting to leave those projects because its trendy to stay there. To say "Yea i grew up in the hood". Those being the same ppl who drag up or in some cases create white/gov't conspiracies to justify why they are where they are. Music is uplifting, and it damn sure did/doing its part in bustin' up racism, but by no means should the credit for it go to one race. Not even my own. Plenty of legendary black artists and music geniuses, but the same could be said for just about any other culture's music.

[intel]

Do you subsribe to these theories that black and hispanic people naturally have 'soul' in their genes?

Or like myself, do you feel it is more a cultural / developmental phenomena?

neither. its a natural predilection towards an appealing attribute. to say otherwise would be akin to saying "white people like the color blue more than black people because its genetic", or "white culture dictates that more white people will like Almond Joy over Snickers". some people like red, some people like Skor Bars. its not racial, its personal preference. culture plays a part in the types of music to which a person may be exposed, and peer pressure can force people to conform to an identity they may not be predisposed to adopting, but that doesn't alter the basis of personal preference which is universal and color blind.

[Cheeso]

I can see how black ppl can be credited with inventing blues, rap, hiphop, and house. I can't see how that applies to electronica, trance and dance music...pop music in general.

Electronica and dance music trace their roots back to soul and rhythm and blues, aka, "black music."

I very much doubt that anyone who today produces electronica, trance, ebm etc. is even aware of the styles of music you mentioned.

That's presumptive, and quite frankly, naive to even think that.

What you originallly claimed is naive and presumptive and quite frankly silly. The part about soul and rhythm and blues influenece in trance is just idiotic.

If you don't recognize the melodic influence of house music on trance, and if you don't know the roots of house music is in soul, then, you are simply ignorant.

[intel]

what are the roots of soul music? and what are the roots of the roots of soul music? and what influenced the roots of the roots of soul music? and what are the roots of the influence on the roots of the roots of soul music?

this is stupid.

[Cheeso]

what are the roots of soul music? and what are the roots of the roots of soul music? and what influenced the roots of the roots of soul music? and what are the roots of the influence on the roots of the roots of soul music?

this is stupid.

so why are you participating?

[zck]

I can see how black ppl can be credited with inventing blues, rap, hiphop, and house. I can't see how that applies to electronica, trance and dance music...pop music in general.

Electronica and dance music trace their roots back to soul and rhythm and blues, aka, "black music."

I very much doubt that anyone who today produces electronica, trance, ebm etc. is even aware of the styles of music you mentioned.

That's presumptive, and quite frankly, naive to even think that.

What you originallly claimed is naive and presumptive and quite frankly silly. The part about soul and rhythm and blues influenece in trance is just idiotic.

If you don't recognize the melodic influence of house music on trance, and if you don't know the roots of house music is in soul, then, you are simply ignorant.

I don't recognize the melodic similarity becasue there's none. The only common element in house and trance is 4/4 kick. That can hardly be considered an influenece. Melodicaly both are completely different. If you go back 15 years maybe you'll find more common elements. That's a big maybe and doesn't necessarily mean influence either. I think you're the one who's ignorant of trance.

Yes, i'm completely ignorant of the roots of house that lead to soul, rnb etc. just like anyone who listens to and produces trance. Most ppl who listen to trance today probably don't even know what EBM is and old trance souds just like EBM.

[Cheeso]

Electronica and dance music trace their roots back to soul and rhythm and blues, aka, "black music."

I very much doubt that anyone who today produces electronica, trance, ebm etc. is even aware of the styles of music you mentioned.

That's presumptive, and quite frankly, naive to even think that.

What you originallly claimed is naive and presumptive and quite frankly silly. The part about soul and rhythm and blues influenece in trance is just idiotic.

If you don't recognize the melodic influence of house music on trance, and if you don't know the roots of house music is in soul, then, you are simply ignorant.

I don't recognize the melodic similarity becasue there's none. The only common element in house and trance is 4/4 kick. That can hardly be considered an influenece. Melodicaly both are completely different. If you go back 15 years maybe you'll find more common elements. That's a big maybe and doesn't necessarily mean influence either. I think you're the one who's ignorant of trance.

Yes, i'm completely ignorant of the roots of house that lead to soul, rnb etc. just like anyone who listens to and produces trance. Most ppl who listen to trance today probably don't even know what EBM is and old trance souds just like EBM.

Yes, anyone involved trance today is as naive and narrowminded as you. Just remember, you said that, not me...

[zck]

I very much doubt that anyone who today produces electronica, trance, ebm etc. is even aware of the styles of music you mentioned.

That's presumptive, and quite frankly, naive to even think that.

What you originallly claimed is naive and presumptive and quite frankly silly. The part about soul and rhythm and blues influenece in trance is just idiotic.

If you don't recognize the melodic influence of house music on trance, and if you don't know the roots of house music is in soul, then, you are simply ignorant.

I don't recognize the melodic similarity becasue there's none. The only common element in house and trance is 4/4 kick. That can hardly be considered an influenece. Melodicaly both are completely different. If you go back 15 years maybe you'll find more common elements. That's a big maybe and doesn't necessarily mean influence either. I think you're the one who's ignorant of trance.

Yes, i'm completely ignorant of the roots of house that lead to soul, rnb etc. just like anyone who listens to and produces trance. Most ppl who listen to trance today probably don't even know what EBM is and old trance souds just like EBM.

Yes, anyone involved trance today is as naive and narrowminded as you. Just remember, you said that, not me...

You're confusing being narrow minded with something that is buried in the past and no longer related or not related at all.. You don't know what you are talking aabout.

[zck]

I very much doubt that anyone who today produces electronica, trance, ebm etc. is even aware of the styles of music you mentioned.

That's presumptive, and quite frankly, naive to even think that.

What you originallly claimed is naive and presumptive and quite frankly silly. The part about soul and rhythm and blues influenece in trance is just idiotic.

If you don't recognize the melodic influence of house music on trance, and if you don't know the roots of house music is in soul, then, you are simply ignorant.

I don't recognize the melodic similarity becasue there's none. The only common element in house and trance is 4/4 kick. That can hardly be considered an influenece. Melodicaly both are completely different. If you go back 15 years maybe you'll find more common elements. That's a big maybe and doesn't necessarily mean influence either. I think you're the one who's ignorant of trance.

Yes, i'm completely ignorant of the roots of house that lead to soul, rnb etc. just like anyone who listens to and produces trance. Most ppl who listen to trance today probably don't even know what EBM is and old trance souds just like EBM.

Yes, anyone involved trance today is as naive and narrowminded as you. Just remember, you said that, not me...

there;s nothing more musically narrow minded than hiphop, rap, soul, and rnb buddy

[Cheeso]

please keep going, zck, you're doing a wonderful job.