Given the price difference I can't see them being really comparable, sound quality wise.
I have EQSO Gold and absolutely love it.
Is there anything about Miroslav that would make it worth considering as an addition for orchestral work ?
BC
How does Miroslav compare to EWSO Gold ?
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- KVRian
- 966 posts since 28 Sep, 2002 from UK
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- KVRian
- 1157 posts since 1 Apr, 2003 from Good old Germany
Have you listened to some of the demos? I think we all can be happy with the sound quality. 
I guess one of the advantages of ESQLSO would be that it has more dynamic layers for most of the instruments.
Philharmonik has a pretty awesome list of instrument patches. If I remember correctly, there should be quite some patches that would give you completely new options, like the sul ponte patch, which means playing close to the bridge and gives a very special string sound.
It will also be cool to layer Gold patches together with Philharmonik.
tele
I guess one of the advantages of ESQLSO would be that it has more dynamic layers for most of the instruments.
Philharmonik has a pretty awesome list of instrument patches. If I remember correctly, there should be quite some patches that would give you completely new options, like the sul ponte patch, which means playing close to the bridge and gives a very special string sound.
It will also be cool to layer Gold patches together with Philharmonik.
tele
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- KVRAF
- 4692 posts since 28 Jan, 2003 from In these very interwebs
Yes.basic channel wrote:Is there anything about Miroslav that would make it worth considering as an addition for orchestral work ?
Emotion.
Miroslav captured orchestral performances that were dripping with emotion. We're not talking about bored instrumentalists playing scales. This is music, and Miroslav knew how to work with players to make a single note come alive and become music. This is the most exciting and inspirational aspect of Miroslav's orchestral samples, and of Philharmonik. In Philharmonik, we have orchestral performances that capture the lush emotional aspect of orchestral music - the reason we fell in love with the orchestral sound in the first place. This is a beautiful sound. Others are saying "This is a three hundred articulations sound", or "This is a three hundred gigabytes sound", or "This is a three hundred dollars sound". With Philharmonik, we are saying "This is a beautiful sound".
It's more than notes. It is music.
-Kim.
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- KVRer
- 23 posts since 11 May, 2003
From what I have heard of the original Vitous library, I do think you can compare them sound quality wise. It's a different sound, but a very beautiful one. On the other hand I wouldn't expect too much in the line of keyswitching, mod wheel crossfading and so forth due to the Sampletank engine.
I'm a Gold user too and have pre-ordered Philharmonik as well as Gold Pro. In my view you can't have too many orchestral sounds in your palette. And don't forget that Philharmonik includes the complete Symphonic Orchestra AND Classical Choirs. I guess it will probably be worth the 300 USD...
I'm a Gold user too and have pre-ordered Philharmonik as well as Gold Pro. In my view you can't have too many orchestral sounds in your palette. And don't forget that Philharmonik includes the complete Symphonic Orchestra AND Classical Choirs. I guess it will probably be worth the 300 USD...
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- KVRAF
- 4692 posts since 28 Jan, 2003 from In these very interwebs
Ok, let's try a more serious and less propaganda-like like reply... 
If you already have a good orchestral library that you're happy with, then you can probably make a lot of music without buying another. However, there is a lot of be gained by having different flavours of sounds. Sometimes you don't realise that some possibilities exist if you only use one product. Sometimes a different angle or flavour can allow you to do things you hadn't previously thought of. Sometimes having more choices gives you more confidence to take on different projects, to be more ambitious.
Aside from the generic benefits of having more choices, Philharmonik specifically is about emotional and inspiring sounds. I know that many, many people are going to be inspired by Philharmonik when they get it, and it will help "get the creative juices flowing" and give them new ideas of compositions. This could be you too. A different flavour might encourage you to try new ideas, or approach a composition in a slightly different way.
It's unbeatable value too. If you're a professional who is making money from using music products like Philharmonik, then you owe it to yourself to give it a serious look. At Winter NAMM at the IK booth I met a bunch of composers who already had the complete Miroslav orchestral sample libraries, and for them it was worth buying Philharmonik just to have it in SampleTank2 format, as a virtual instrument. Their Miroslav sample libraries get so much work that it's totally feasible to treat Philharmonik as a format conversion for samples they already have. I have a feeling we'll be hearing Philharmonik in a lot of high-profile places in the coming years.
-Kim.
If you already have a good orchestral library that you're happy with, then you can probably make a lot of music without buying another. However, there is a lot of be gained by having different flavours of sounds. Sometimes you don't realise that some possibilities exist if you only use one product. Sometimes a different angle or flavour can allow you to do things you hadn't previously thought of. Sometimes having more choices gives you more confidence to take on different projects, to be more ambitious.
Aside from the generic benefits of having more choices, Philharmonik specifically is about emotional and inspiring sounds. I know that many, many people are going to be inspired by Philharmonik when they get it, and it will help "get the creative juices flowing" and give them new ideas of compositions. This could be you too. A different flavour might encourage you to try new ideas, or approach a composition in a slightly different way.
It's unbeatable value too. If you're a professional who is making money from using music products like Philharmonik, then you owe it to yourself to give it a serious look. At Winter NAMM at the IK booth I met a bunch of composers who already had the complete Miroslav orchestral sample libraries, and for them it was worth buying Philharmonik just to have it in SampleTank2 format, as a virtual instrument. Their Miroslav sample libraries get so much work that it's totally feasible to treat Philharmonik as a format conversion for samples they already have. I have a feeling we'll be hearing Philharmonik in a lot of high-profile places in the coming years.
-Kim.
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
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- KVRAF
- 4692 posts since 28 Jan, 2003 from In these very interwebs
You might be surprised. The SampleTank2 engine has undergone some heavy modification to prepare it for Philharmonik. The Philharmonik engine is even more sophisticated than the SampleTank2.1 engine coming soon.marre wrote:On the other hand I wouldn't expect too much in the line of keyswitching, mod wheel crossfading and so forth due to the Sampletank engine.
-Kim.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 966 posts since 28 Sep, 2002 from UK
thanks
What sort of articulations has it got
e.g. user controllable vibrato, string note slides etc. ?
What sort of articulations has it got
e.g. user controllable vibrato, string note slides etc. ?
If God did exist (and he doesn't) he would answer to the name of Maurizio
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- KVRAF
- 4692 posts since 28 Jan, 2003 from In these very interwebs
Too many to list them all here! Some basic information and a preliminary sound list can be found here:basic channel wrote:thanks
What sort of articulations has it got
e.g. user controllable vibrato, string note slides etc. ?
http://www.philharmonik.com/Main.html?prod_MP
A complete sound list will be made available very soon.
-Kim.
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- KVRian
- 1157 posts since 1 Apr, 2003 from Good old Germany
The Sampletank base engine can do some things that you'll find nowhere else.
For example: let's not forget, that we got stretch - you can do
glissandos like hell.
tele
For example: let's not forget, that we got stretch - you can do
glissandos like hell.
tele
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- KVRian
- 1157 posts since 1 Apr, 2003 from Good old Germany
"Click here to see the full list of Miroslav™ Philharmonik™ sounds." is written on that site and it will take you to a patch name list.Kim (esoundz) wrote:Too many to list them all here! Some basic information and a preliminary sound list can be found here:
http://www.philharmonik.com/Main.html?prod_MP
A complete sound list will be made available very soon.
-Kim.
ne other advantage of Philharmonic is that the instruments were recorded in such a way, that they are at their correct places already. No hard work to make an arrangement sitting correctly in the panorama, If I understand it right.
tele
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- KVRian
- 1256 posts since 22 Aug, 2003
I'd hardly call that an advantage! The fact that the instruments are recorded in their stereo positioning is one of the things that concerns me the most about Philharmonik. And you mentioned the demos of Philharmonik - I don't really think there's anything at all in those that makes it sound "beautiful" compared to the QLSO Gold demos (which are amazing). And STRETCH - if the new version of STRETCH is usable, then I'll be happy, for sure!telebunke wrote:ne other advantage of Philharmonic is that the instruments were recorded in such a way, that they are at their correct places already. No hard work to make an arrangement sitting correctly in the panorama, If I understand it right.
I may sound like I'm down on the Philharmonik concept, but I'm not, I'm actually really excited! I'm just in sort of a "wait and see" mode - it's just too early to tell, which is what makes this great pre-order deal all the more problematic! Some of the demo's sound really quite amazing, but many of them sound fairly average, or even pretty crappy - so it's just too hard to tell whether it would compliment something like QLSO Gold yet, for me at least.
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- KVRian
- 1157 posts since 1 Apr, 2003 from Good old Germany
It's a preorder deal.Rellik wrote:just too early to tell, which is what makes this great pre-order deal all the more problematic!
No risk, no fun,
Of course you can wait 'till it's out and you can try it out in a music store, but that will be after the preorder deal.
tele
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