new fruity stuff

[JMC]

I only tried v5 demo...

You should check out the latest demo 5.0.2 which has multiple snap settings/window :

http://www.tucows.com/get/209204_87241

See ya,

jmc (FL Studio)

[corman rapeblio]

Accessing the different parts of a multitimbral synths is a different thing though... while not the most elegant way, at least it works "FL style" - using several MIDI out plugins configured to correct MIDI ports and channels.

yeah but this still won't allow you to assign the individual outputs to different effects channels, which is the main reason I want multi-outs obviously.

[silicon/silicium]

You should check out the latest demo 5.0.2 which has multiple snap settings/window :

http://www.tucows.com/get/209204_87241

does it include snap to/snap of (relative/absolute) switch?? I ll try it tonight, thanx for your answer

[xander]

gotta say that I don't believe FL was designed for being great at handling audio, it has a very barebones editor that comes with it....it's my understanding FL is designed for the electronic musician who doesn't rely heavily on live recording of audio, or uses many audio tracks. I do not see that as a downfall though...I believe that a good wav editor with FL is a great combo...in my case Adobe Audition. Which can be used as my default editor in FL (and is), and by the same token I can use FL rewired in AA...I think if the audio zoom is lacking for you in FL it might be wiser to get an editor as opposed to holding your breath and waiting...

I agree. FLS & Audition are a very superior combination and the one I use (except I am trying out Live 5 as an alternative host to see if I can work the way I am used to in it and also because of its audio capabilities and relatively low CPU consumption) -- the audio editing in FLS is cursory at best.

As far as host CPU utilization is concerned, I wonder about if there were an option in FLS to dump all the 3D screw heads and go with a 2D interface (like Live and Tracktion) would it's CPU utilization drop down a bit more? Or is it a non-issue?


It seems that the Ableton and Mackie people say that it does indeed make a difference...

[ceenda]

Dunno about Live, but Tracktion's GUI is probably more demanding than FLStudio's.

Bitmap drawing is undoubtedly faster than antialiased vector rendering and alpha transparency rendering. Dragging some parts of the GUI in Tracktion is jerky-tastic.

[Penis Arcade]

Accessing the different parts of a multitimbral synths is a different thing though... while not the most elegant way, at least it works "FL style" - using several MIDI out plugins configured to correct MIDI ports and channels.

yeah but this still won't allow you to assign the individual outputs to different effects channels, which is the main reason I want multi-outs obviously.

Wrapper supports sending individual outputs to different mixer busses. It's in the Wrapper.

[corman rapeblio]

O, from 5 onwards? .. I'll check it out.. thanks.

[Hink]

.I think if the audio zoom is lacking for you in FL it might be wiser to get an editor as opposed to holding your breath and waiting...Wink

Sure, just because FLS lack a few zoom levels, we will buy a 200$ editor.
Lol.
Other than that FLS audio handling is perfect to me (and it handles mp3, which i need).

was there something wrong with what I said? I simply said if the zoom is a problem you might consider an editor.. You pay 150 bux and expect it to handle everything. Sorry but I'm realistic, I know that the editor in FL is bare bones....that's the way it is. Apparently it's fine for you, I like a better editor. I dont expect FL to drop everything and come up with an editor equal to that of apps twice it's price...that's absurd...there are editors that cost less then 200 dollars. But you know if buy an amp with fx and it doen't have the effect you're looking for is the amp company going to say "we'll get on it" or "you'll have to use another processor"?

As for it handling audio great, I'm sorry I and many others disagree...and I have read where gol said exactly what I said...one major draw back for someone like me who plays live instruments as well is the lack of a punch in feature. A feature that has been on recorders for most of my life. That's what I use AA for, audio recording. FL can be used for audio recording, but it is not ideal for recording.

But believe it or not, you actually get other great features too, which will benefit you and your workflow. I dont have to defend this, but I will say no one could ever accuse me of putting down FL. But I am realistic, it never hurts to have more then one wrench in your toolbox. At 150 dollars FL can't be beat, it's my sequencer, it's where it all begins for me, it's the last piece of software I would let go of...but I have enough intelligence to understand that it can't do everything perfect, at least not for me and there's not a damn thing wrong with that.

I didn't like the drum options in FL4 and I find fpc to be awesome, but I rather use a dedicated sampler. 16 pads are not enough for my style of writing. I also think boobass is a cool pluggin, but it seriously lacks, but bass samples in my sampler is much better.(now that's two birds with one stone) Though it is possible FL will come out with a proper sampler, I dont really want to hinder myself and wait. FL Keys is pretty cool, but I really like a good Hammond sound so I have B4.

Tbh I dont see what is wrong with wanting a feature packed editor...which fwiw isn't a sample editor but takes the whole wave and allows very good zoom, analysis, good mastering tools. One such is that FL editor only allows for normalizing to 100%. I like to keep my tracks below that so I have room for dynamic processing which can increase the volume level...AA allows me to set the % of normalization. AA allows batch processing, which means if I have 16 tracks to normalize I can run a script instead of doing one at a time...there are many benefits to a better editor, there's better audio handling software, there are better drum samplers..why the hell would anyone limit themselves?...

See that's why things like rewire are available so prudent people can set up a daw that suits their own needs, not a blanketed approach...if FL covers all your needs, great...I'm happy for you...if it doesn't that's ok too...but to laugh at someone who suggests you update your editor is foolish...

[xander]

Whew Hink old bean... what a comeback... :O

[geoslake]

I use Soundprobe for capturing audio thanks.
I dont want you bloated AA.
We were talking of audio clips in playlist.

[jmh]

Accessing the different parts of a multitimbral synths is a different thing though... while not the most elegant way, at least it works "FL style" - using several MIDI out plugins configured to correct MIDI ports and channels.

yeah but this still won't allow you to assign the individual outputs to different effects channels, which is the main reason I want multi-outs obviously.

Wrapper supports sending individual outputs to different mixer busses. It's in the Wrapper.

What he said... it might not be the most obvious way for such a feature to work, but IMHO beats the crap out of this "I just loaded this instrument and it added 16 stereo tracks to my mixer, wtf!!!" behavior that some hosts have. I referred to FL in this regard as "the user being in charge of things", which is a delicate subject - either you do things for the user and suffer the consequences, or you assume that the user will read the documentation and try things out - and suffer the same consequences

Regards,

JMH

[jmh]

As far as host CPU utilization is concerned, I wonder about if there were an option in FLS to dump all the 3D screw heads and go with a 2D interface (like Live and Tracktion) would it's CPU utilization drop down a bit more? Or is it a non-issue?


It seems that the Ableton and Mackie people say that it does indeed make a difference...

Ain't marketing wonderful. What the difference would be, might be minimal at best. (Reminds me of people who tweak their XP to look and behave like 2K because it's "so much faster" - agree on turning off all the bells and whistles but switching the native skinning off because "it's faster" is just... pick your choice of a swear word here)

And certainly Ableton's or Tracktion's vector engines aren't that superior in this regard. I'd suspect it's the other way around, hence them trying to make a big deal out of it Slicker looking, yes, appealing to some people, indeed. But superiorly faster... I'd love to see them prove it.

Regards,

JMH

[Hink]

I use Soundprobe for capturing audio thanks.
I dont want you bloated AA.
We were talking of audio clips in playlist.

I wasn't pushing AA, just showing why I use it...it's a tad contradictory of you though to say that FL's audio handling was fine for you in one post, then in the next you state you use Soundprobe...so I guess it isn't perfect for you I too was talking clips in the playlist, and you should also be able to do this with Soundprobe (if it has the ability, I am not familiar with it). I went Tools>add one and pointed it to AA. Now when I use the dropdown menu in FL's audioclips (playlist) where it says edit, it automatically opens in AA...I really have no idea what your problem with I am saying is, unless it's a comprehension problem...

[Hink]

Whew Hink old bean... what a comeback... :O

well I gave an honest reply and he thought it was a bad suggestion...as you know it's good way to go... I do remember though that a while back jmc did a poll on looptalk about what people used besides FL and I was surprised to see how many people only used FL...I gotta keep that in mind...

[lunik]

I have this problem, it is a bit quirky.

I normally delete the offending note, click a correclty snapped note nearby (which seems to load the 'next note properties' buffer) and click again.

Despite this, I really like the FL piano roll. Things like being able to see other notes in other channels as 'ghosts' is very useful. Also, with key shortcuts, you can do a lot with the just the pentool.

I also end up with windows everywhere in FL, and keep turning Piano Roll on and off to bring it to front (yeah, maybe its just me not managing my screen), and have to change the notelist on the piano roll to the left to 'names' everytime I clone a pattern (because it defaults to piano keyboard).
Also on pattern view, have to zoom in quite far to get odd-length patterns to fit: the snap resolution is too low otherwise.

Despite this, I still find FL very fast to use.

I used samplers and cubase on an ST in the 90's so I can remember what things used to be like

I'm with Hink on the audio - I use version 4 Vegas for multitracking and dump all my FL tracks down into . Vegas is/was a very nice app and very intuitive.

If the arrangement changes in FL, then yes, I have a bunch of ripple editing and re-dumping of tracks in vegas. I can tolerate the pain though, and I've learnt to get as much done in FL as possible before moving to the next stage.

Because of FL's object-model, I'm not sure the audio will ever become as slick as say Vegas. At least, the learning curve will be steeper. Maybe audio in FL needs to be abstracted a bit more from the main application paradigm. If audio could be as slick as vegas, well that would be superb.

However its useful even at the moment. I've recorded real-bass lines written with boo-bass in FL, using piano roll as a live notation --- very useful for tricky passages.

At first glance FL looks like a toy for low-quality umpa-umpa dance heads (the name doesn;t help either:-) (nothing against umpa umpa here .
- but if you dig in its very powerful AND fast to use and stable.
Multiple time signatures, complex routing/automation : no problem.
There are certain concepts you have to 'get' first to grok the app.

The GUI skin is quite easy on the eyes, but I can see the sort of Amiga-demo crew vibe is offputting to some.

I know ppl locally who've released commericial underground CD's (industrial black metal, glitch and avant jazz-rock)
and other musos have been shocked with 'you used FLoops for that??!!!' :: they all expect ya to be using cubase or logic or something. Its funny.
FL is produced by what I call 'cottage industry' programmers which is nice in this day and age of large corporations buying everything up.

Anyway, sorry, a bit of a brain dump.

Lunik

if you are talking about the piano roll, you can dblclick the note and change the midi information about the start time and length. Once you change it like this, that start point (of that edited note) becomes the basis of the new snap positions. I hope I was clear and that is what you wanted.

yes, I notice this trick, but isn't it just a workaround?? I mean shouldn't fruity be able to snap to time as all seqeuncers do? you lost lot of time by dbl clicking then precisely setting the not, that's a hole in the "intuitivness" of fruity to me. for me it's the #1 problem in this nice piano roll, and the reason wh I wouldn't buy it until it's fixed.