ChordSpace. Something from nuffink.

[braj]

CAn anyone tell me how to set this up in Live btw.

im trying to get it to work in live 5 right now gordon ... but its a no go so far ...

... ive started a thread on the ableton forum asking for help but i suspect (sadly) that although live allows routing of MIDI between tracks / plugins it DOESNT like VST plugins that produce their own MIDI output ...

... will keep you (and nuffink) updated on any progress ...

slainte rob

I've gotten Broomstick Bass to work just fine, I think it's somehow a bug or limitation with Chordspace currently. Live5 does allow VSTi's to send midi to other channels just fine.

Hopefully it gets sorted. Did you try the new version? I'm at woirk and can't do so until later.

[haydxn]

yeah john, you can use a midiloopback driver method to get it to record into any host. you just need to decide on a way to load chordspace first.

either

(1)
- Have a host running in the background (such as energyXT in standalone mode) with chordspace being routed to a MIDI Yoke OUTPUT port.
- Have your main sequencer running with a MIDI track armed to record from the corresponding MIDI Yoke INPUT port. Hit record and play the chordspace in the other host.

or (2)
- have Chordspace loaded on a track in your sequencer, with the track's output routed to a MIDI Yoke OUTPUT port.
- use another MIDI track in your sequencer armed to record from the corresponding MIDI Yoke INPUT.

I don't know which hosts allow you to route the track's midi to a specific midi output port, but i'd be surprised if any didn't. At least you can use eXT in standalone. Even the demo would be fine.

[Kriminal]

anyone got it to record in orion?

only using the ext as a modular method.

i am thinkin orion wont record internal midi,maybe if i try outputting it to a midiout then that to a midi in and does this sound complicated to other orion users?
i dont generally use the midi bits in orion tho

i will try to put the above into none stoner speak for you dave if it works

Yeah, that doesnt work, prob need to use midiyoke or some shit, and i cant be arsed. I asked rich, but no reply yet

[Sicklecell666]

i am thinkin orion wont record internal midi

I realized this months ago using Neuralis and later xoxos' Diner/Scylla instrument. You'll need to use eXT to capture the midi or capture the audio from a bus/master channel with something like silverspike's TapeIt 2.

[Kriminal]

Bizzare tho, cos it will receive midi from CS, and play the notes, but wont record it. Prob cos its not real midi, its virtual.

[vurt]

be cool even if it recorded the data only into itself,at least you could copy n paste the seqence to the desired plug?

[haydxn]

i think most hosts only actually record midi if it's arriving at a midi input port (real or virtual). When a plugin generates midi, the messages just get bounced around thru whatever paths you create, but they only exist within the program walls (unless you pipe them out too) - the program will only log them in if they enter thru the door.

[Sicklecell666]

be cool even if it recorded the data only into itself,at least you could copy n paste the seqence to the desired plug?

You will not get an instrument's internally generated midi to record to Orion's instrument piano rolls. I literally tried everything & it's a no-go. You CAN however route the midi to another instrument, but again, there will be no pianpo roll data & you'll need a capture device if you wish to keep the source audio or midi. If I remember correctly, I was unable to capture midi inside Orion even using eXT, which is why I had to record 'A touch of Dread' as a 'live' performance in OPlat.

Haydxn, your post above I agree with, but I'm able to capture internal midi generation data using eXT standalone.

[haydxn]

loopback drivers let you make a virtual path straight to the hosts input port, so it will definitely record them if you can find a way of getting the messages to it.

there we go i think i've said it enough now

[Sicklecell666]

Bizzare tho, cos it will receive midi from CS, and play the notes, but wont record it. Prob cos its not real midi, its virtual.

If you look back several months in the Orion forum you'll remember I tried to figure this thing out, but never was able to, hence the work-around. There's no way of capturing any of Reaktor's ambient generators or anything else like that in Orion.

I'd really like to see a fix for that, as I'd be able to use OPlat 10x more effectively were this to be addressed.

cheers,
D

[haydxn]

@sickle - yeah that's becuase it doesn't just read from the ports. eXT's modular nature means that the sequencer records what arrives at its own input terminal. in energyXT, the sequencer's midi input terminal is the front door. the rest of the hosts out there aren't built with such luxuries, and the only connection to a track's input is directly from the port. which is why you don't get the notes recorded unless you force them into a port using a loopback device.

[Beardedone]

Thanks Haydxn. Works great in T2. I didn't need to use a Rack .

[pHz]

HERE COME THE MYSTERONS !!!

... this is the only way i can get it to work in live 5 currently (use anything you want from this nuffink) ...

until ableton sort out issues with SOME plugins that produce MIDI you will need energyXT - www.xt-hq.com - for this but the demo version will work fine (although jorgen doesnt charge much at all for a license) ... it just wont remember it holds an instance of chordspace when you reload your live set (but inserting an instance of chordspace only takes seconds) ...

1 - create two MIDI tracks in live ... on the first one insert an instance of energyXT VSTi ... on the other insert whatever VST instrument you want to play with chordpsace (in this example its fabfilter one) ...




2 - open up the energyXT GUI ... right-click the workspace and insert an instance of chordspace ensuring that its MIDI output is hooked up to the energyXT MIDI out ...






3 - switch to the live VST track (fabfilter here) ... in the live 5 track routing boxes set the inputs and monitoring as shown ... MIDI FROM your energyXT / chordspace track and then ENERGY XT in the second list box ... make sure monitoring is set to IN ...




4 - switch back to the energyXT track and open up the chordspace GUI ... clicking around the polygons should now play chords through your VSTi on the second track ...




5 - to record your chords simply enable MIDI on your VSTi track in the normal way and hit the little clip record icon to begin recording a MIDI clip ... switch back to the chordspace GUI and 'play' away ...

[braj]

Thanks pHz!

[Sascha Franck]

This thing won't work in Logic as you won't be able to record its output (regardless whether you're using eXT to enhance Logic), which ATM is mandatory as CS has no MIDI in.
If the pads were MIDI triggerable, things might look different, but if you ask me, assigning a plethora of pads to MIDI keys would somewhat spoil the easy going character of CS.

The only thing I could imagine would be having different triggers for different tonalities (these should be optional, shouldn't you need multiple tonalities) and the main triggeres to take you to all the possible chords inside one tonality, with some additional modifiers to alter the chord type.
That'd make up for 32 chord keys along with 3 modifiers per tonality. Probably worth the effort, if the keys were assigned in a logical manner.

Oh, and I could of course imagine that MIDI input would bring up different chord inversions.

Btw, nuffink, no idea whether you got my mails, so here's my main two wishes:
- 11 as an option doesn't make much sense for any chord with a major third. Let's have sus4 chords instead, with the 4th replacing the 3rd.
- Please add a new class of triad chords (with some options. Very often, for non-jazzy material, you don't want 7th chords. There could be triad chords, probably along with options for sus2 (second replacing the third), add 6, add 9 and sus4.

With that almost all styles could be covered.