KVR Audio

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:48 pm

i bought the cd version and for the price im more than happy

i imagine someone will get a good deal in a few weeks if they allow a licence transfer

Wormhelmet · Post by **Wormhelmet** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 8:49 pm

A simple router running NAT will protect most PC's in the event of a random port scanning attempt from a range of IP addresses, and protecting your PC from a virus is pretty simple nowadays. Most are received through emails, but some can come from just clicking on a webpage. it takes a few minutes to install a relatively low resource antivirus like AVG Free to use while you are downloading updates and registering products etc. You can disable it after you are done. My belief is that someone that will not connect their PC to the internet for fear of losing a project to a virus, does not know their PC that well or does not make backups of their data. I have had my DAW connected for 5 years to the internet and never had a problem, virus, crash that has affected a project. You do not have to leave your PC connected all the time if you are in fear of attacks or virus infections. My advice is to learn more about the tools you use to produce your music, not just the software you use to produce. This is just my opinion, but after about 2 hours of studying about internet security and virus attacks, you could know enough to protect yoursel easily against most attacks. This would be even easier if you are temporarily connecting for registration/activation/updates. All services and processes network related can be easily disable or stopped. I have an older machine too (2000+ processor)

mckenic · Post by **mckenic** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:18 pm

I worked as support manager in an ISP/Hosting company for 4 years and the only protection I saw that was any way good was an IP-Less firewall... of course that has to be set up right...

I browse on my Mac and write on my PC Laptop - and I KNOW my gear...

This is not supposed to be a personal attack or anything

but I wouldnt risk even my crappy tunes going byebye - is it REALLY worth it???

Dave

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:38 pm

Hey, I'll trump that. I worked as a network security analyst for two years, was a systems support guy (network guy, server guy, desktop guy, helpdesk guy at various points) for about 5 years before that.

If you set your system up behind a WAN router, don't go about downloading a bunch of crap from unknown sites, properly configure your email app, and don't open emails and attachments willy-nilly, you will have a greater likelihood of being hit by lightning than getting hacked/infected.

That said, ttoz said his system was streamlined, which likely means he's turned most networking services off. Be a pain in the ass to go turning all that back on and make your system Internet-ready just to authorize a $40 software package.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:47 pm

shamann wrote: Be a pain in the ass to go turning all that back on and make your system Internet-ready just to authorize a $40 software package.

Reason 3's only $40 now?!

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:55 pm

Sicklecell666 wrote:Reason 3's only $40 now?!

Did I read one thread, then post in another?

Weren't we discussing Magix Audio Studio e-version?

SaviorNeeded · Post by **SaviorNeeded** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:57 pm

"Reason 3's only $40 now?!"

Ah! The sound of a familiar voice!

Tom

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:01 pm

HI

It's OK ..... Sickle666 assumes 'ttoz' behavior has stabilized!!!!

That got sold, ttoz repurchased all his PC software and has now decided to go Mac .... again!

Flipper.

SaviorNeeded · Post by **SaviorNeeded** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:09 pm

I love ttoz because he sold me ST2XL and SS2 with other stuff for a deeeall! He's a good guy--but isn't HE the original flipper?

Tom

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:10 pm

Whew, I thought I'd imagined the whole subject of the thread, and it was tedious to get through so I'm glad my imagination hasn't failed me in such a dreadful way.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:23 pm

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Tritonman1 · Post by **Tritonman1** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:46 pm

Wormhelmet wrote:A simple router running NAT will protect most PC's in the event of a random port scanning attempt from a range of IP addresses, and protecting your PC from a virus is pretty simple nowadays. Most are received through emails, but some can come from just clicking on a webpage. it takes a few minutes to install a relatively low resource antivirus like AVG Free to use while you are downloading updates and registering products etc. You can disable it after you are done. My belief is that someone that will not connect their PC to the internet for fear of losing a project to a virus, does not know their PC that well or does not make backups of their data. I have had my DAW connected for 5 years to the internet and never had a problem, virus, crash that has affected a project. You do not have to leave your PC connected all the time if you are in fear of attacks or virus infections. My advice is to learn more about the tools you use to produce your music, not just the software you use to produce. This is just my opinion, but after about 2 hours of studying about internet security and virus attacks, you could know enough to protect yoursel easily against most attacks. This would be even easier if you are temporarily connecting for registration/activation/updates. All services and processes network related can be easily disable or stopped. I have an older machine too (2000+ processor)

While I agree 100% with everything you said there are some people who are not as technically inclined as some of us. Also some people are more meticulous with their DAW's and prefer not to clutter them up with applications whether they can be disabled or not; or even install them for a brief time period. We all know how many reg keys get left behind from removing applications which can also damper the peformance of a pc. I personally also use my DAW as a daily pc as well as a sequencer..but I have the knowledge of the internet and its risks as well as security. Plus I have the knowledge of how to properly tweak a pc to gain a performance increase.

If I had the financial resources I would love to create a DAW only workstation with absolutely nothing installed on it other than what I needed. I would think a professional or even an amateur recording studio would have a DAW inside without an internet connection and Im sure they wouldn't want one whether it was protected or not.

heeb · Post by **heeb** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:55 pm

Still, if a PC does have a network adapter, and your only fear is being infected, I'd say: download ZoneAlarm (download on the labtob), put it on CD, install it on the PC in question, connect it to the net, and register. I'm *always* connected, and was *never* hacked, because of ZoneAlarm. My PC stays on, and is online, basically day and night, and is very stable nevertheless! So, it *is* possible. Just install a good software firewall (or even better: have a good hardware one). What *could* happen if outside hackers just cannot reach you?

jouni · Post by **jouni** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:24 pm

ttoz wrote:
Tritonman1 wrote:
Wormhelmet wrote:Just curious - It only takes a couple minutes to set up my PC to connect to the internet, and only a few minutes to completely disable any network connection. Why would some people wait a few days to get a cd that provides something you can get yourself with only a few minutes of settings/services changes?
No offense..but it also only takes a few minutes for your machine to be infected with a virus or spyware etc and wipe out your data or cause chaos.

I would assume that his pc is not connected to the internet due to the fact it isnt protected against the internet. This must be a dedicated workstation with only the bare minimum installed on it for performance reasons.
spot on! my main daw will NEVER EVER be connected!

Sorry about long quote.. but why you guys don't then buy hardware firewall and/or setup Linux computer to work as firewall between and even hide the public ip-addresses so that no viruses can enter your DAW except by your own fault installing such spyware crap (now what such program even would do in your DAW?). Don't install email programs to your DAW, etc.

It's just about proper way to configure your local network and Internet gateway/firewalls.

edit: someone suggested ZoneAlarm (which is software firewall). I suggest do not use such programs (even disable the Windows XP's own firewall) in DAW. Protect the DAW with either hardware firewall, or with separate gateway (Linux) computer. Software firewalls are CPU and unstable timer hogs on highly tweaked DAW.

pitchdrifter · Post by **pitchdrifter** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:29 pm

It is *so* simple.
1) get a router or hardware firefall
2) hook up everything to it directly or via network switch
3) do NOT browse the web with the DAW. You can even lock traffic to/from that particular machine based on the mac-id of the network card, depending on the router
4) use only the office machine or whatever you use already anyhow to browse the web, check mail, do downloads etc.

My audio workstations are setup like this, no AV or firewall installed on them for performance reasons, on none of them the net is ever touched except for c/r stuff, and I can move around files between the machines easily. You just gotta have the disclipine to stay off the web with these machines and only use the actual internet machine for that (on this machine I got AV running as well as a software firewall solely for regulating outgoing connections, incoming connections are taken care of by the router anyhow).

I'm not saying I'm keen on the rise in popularity of c/r copy protection, but this setup deals with the necessity and it works fine and reliably.

Was furious, magix are trying to sort it out now