Instuments you hate/hated.. change of mind?

[hello1234]

I still haven't warmed back up to Alto Sax after seing David Sanborn as supporting act for Al Jarreau (who I also can't stand) in the 80s.
I used to love sax, he killed it dead in a 30 minute KennyG wet dream set.

I have forgiven drums, which I thought was silly for several years.

Clarinet is only OK in slow melancholy Klezmer.

Let's face it, most "musicians" liked sanborn to watch Marcus Miller.

[hello1234]

When I was "real" musician and working allot, I HATED piano players.....

clink clink clink with no dynamics most of the time......like a sledgehammer racking against my skull constantly........gave the guitarists a run for the the money in volume and walked all over any bass line I was playing....(GFD those lazy clanky left hands........cringe)

But now I enjoy listening (and even playing around a bit myself) with piano parts......if they are tasteful (whatever that means )

[androidlove]

jazz guitar also makes my list

how bout the aquarium rescue unit? now there's some jazz i can tolerate

[tetraplan]

Clarinet is only OK in slow melancholy Klezmer.

Until you hear Steven Thrower's work with Coil.

Groet, Erik

[stefancrs]

The only time I can stand the saxophone is in stuff like.. Madness and different kinds of punk bands

[Hovmod]

I don't find it cheesy and I am not judging based on sound libraries. All I am saying is that the only parameter that affects the sound (except for pedals) is velocity. In classical guitar for example you can alter the velocity, vibrato play close to bridge or neck, apoyando-tirando, harmonics, artificial harmonics, flamenco type strums, trills and the list goes on. The polyphony and dynamic range is very limited compared to a piano but the list of articulations is endless. And if piano sample libraries sound unreal tell me what you think about guitar libraries or brass libraries. They seem like a joke compared to a good piano library.

One day, when the right token has dropped in the right slot in your mind (for instance, after hearing Leif Ove Andsnes play live), I'm going to show you what you wrote about the piano in this thread. And you'll cringe and blush.

Because...well...you're quite simply wrong.

[griels]

The only time I can stand the saxophone is in stuff like.. Madness and different kinds of punk bands

Ouff.. Horrible raucous emotionless sax... Great music otherwise I liked the Specials though...

[zeoy]

I don't find it cheesy and I am not judging based on sound libraries. All I am saying is that the only parameter that affects the sound (except for pedals) is velocity. In classical guitar for example you can alter the velocity, vibrato play close to bridge or neck, apoyando-tirando, harmonics, artificial harmonics, flamenco type strums, trills and the list goes on. The polyphony and dynamic range is very limited compared to a piano but the list of articulations is endless. And if piano sample libraries sound unreal tell me what you think about guitar libraries or brass libraries. They seem like a joke compared to a good piano library.

One day, when the right token has dropped in the right slot in your mind (for instance, after hearing Leif Ove Andsnes play live), I'm going to show you what you wrote about the piano in this thread. And you'll cringe and blush.

Because...well...you're quite simply wrong.

Errare humanum est ...(or something like that)
But I 'd like you to show me what exactly is wrong in the quoted section.

[whyterabbyt]

Ephemera quoth as for instruments I dislike I would have to say the bagpipe's. I just hate that drone, its all I can hear!

That said a m8 of mine plays the Irish Pipes (no drone) and I have spent a few afternoons in pubs listening to him play.

Maybe beer makes bad sound good? I feel an experiment coming on.

Nope, Irish/Uilleann pipes have a totally different sound anyways. They're much 'buzzier', IMO, in the same sort of way that mediaeval style instruments are compared to their modern counterparts.

Another non-fan of Scottish bagpipes here. I may have mentioned that before. I especially get pissed off by busking bagpipers, except for Big Brother and the Sex Ring, who used to play in Glasgow, and I could actually stand. They mostly did cover versions though (Mission Impossible theme tune on four bagpipes and a military snaredrum, anyone?)

[Hovmod]

Errare humanum est ...(or something like that)
But I 'd like you to show me what exactly is wrong in the quoted section.

Fair enough.
I can't but a good piano player can. Some of those guys will make you go WTF!? I've heard players (like Andsnes) use the pedals and their magic touch to get only the harmonics to linger on, or to make notes form as if by magic by holding higher keys down while just quickly hitting low notes, making the open strings vibrate in harmony with the lower ones (that are no longer there), making haunting overtones appear from nowhere, like turning up a volume knob. Trills with half pressed pedals can also create eerie unexpected notes.
There are many many more ways to articulate your tone than 'velocity'.
Your quote held guitars up as infinitely versatile compared to pianos, which they arent. Even the most accomplished classical guitarist will agree he's practically a one-trick pony next to a Richter or a Kissin.

[Hovmod]

Let's face it, most "musicians" liked sanborn to watch Marcus Miller.

Hiram Bullock played guitar for Sanborn at that gig. Highlight of the night.

[mwa]

when I started with the high school band (way back when) i wanted to play the alto sax, but the teacher stuck me on the trumpet..

i hated that thing for about 4 years.

then in my last year of high school, i really started to enjoy it. i don't know what it was that made my change my mind on it.. could have been that i was finally getting good, and was also starting to enjoy the peices we were playing more. but since high school i haven't so much as touched one, and I really miss it.

[bermudagold]

I don't find it cheesy and I am not judging based on sound libraries. All I am saying is that the only parameter that affects the sound (except for pedals) is velocity. In classical guitar for example you can alter the velocity, vibrato play close to bridge or neck, apoyando-tirando, harmonics, artificial harmonics, flamenco type strums, trills and the list goes on. The polyphony and dynamic range is very limited compared to a piano but the list of articulations is endless. And if piano sample libraries sound unreal tell me what you think about guitar libraries or brass libraries. They seem like a joke compared to a good piano library.

I see your point zeoy....by that argument it does seem to lead to the assumption that piano is less expressive, and I also agree that the libraries do much better than for brass or sax or guitar which would also seem in line with ur reasoning....I dont know if that makes the piano "overrated" though....and i must say i have heard some pretty emotional piano pieces......interesting

[bermudagold]

when I started with the high school band (way back when) i wanted to play the alto sax, but the teacher stuck me on the trumpet..

i hated that thing for about 4 years.

then in my last year of high school, i really started to enjoy it. i don't know what it was that made my change my mind on it.. could have been that i was finally getting good, and was also starting to enjoy the peices we were playing more. but since high school i haven't so much as touched one, and I really miss it.

This is hilarious, I had the exact same experience verbatim!!!

[james0tucson]

when I was into metal (17/18 yrs old) I really thought synth were soooo gay.
fortunately, I'm so progressist now. (both on synths and gays)

I like timpani's sound, but how can a folk choose to play them? seriously. I can't think of something more boring.

Timpani is usually just part of a larger discipline of "orchestral percussionist". The folks who end up with that gig are often really amazing musicians. I had a friend who played timpani in a symphony orchestra, and his main interest was traditional Balinese rythms. He was an amazing drummer who could do anything, yet the orchestra gig kept his attention just fine.