Instuments you hate/hated.. change of mind?

[zeoy]

Errare humanum est ...(or something like that)
But I 'd like you to show me what exactly is wrong in the quoted section.

Fair enough.
I can't but a good piano player can. Some of those guys will make you go WTF!? I've heard players (like Andsnes) use the pedals and their magic touch to get only the harmonics to linger on, or to make notes form as if by magic by holding higher keys down while just quickly hitting low notes, making the open strings vibrate in harmony with the lower ones (that are no longer there), making haunting overtones appear from nowhere, like turning up a volume knob. Trills with half pressed pedals can also create eerie unexpected notes.
There are many many more ways to articulate your tone than 'velocity'.
Your quote held guitars up as infinitely versatile compared to pianos, which they arent. Even the most accomplished classical guitarist will agree he's practically a one-trick pony next to a Richter or a Kissin.

Points taken , though I strongly disagree with the last sentence.
To summarize : I like to touch my strings than hit them with a hammer

[mwa]

bermudagold. hahaha.. wow, that's a crazy coincidence!

i'll never forget my last high school band concert. the teacher we had for the first 3 and a half years was there (the one who stuck me on the trumpet, btw.. and she had left to have some babies), and after the show she came up to me, and was like "oh my God.. i couldn't believe that was you playing those solos!"

I was usually playing 2nd or 3rd parts, but then started playing 1st, and I had so much more fun with it, too. It was a damn shame that I really got into it so late.

[james0tucson]

Errare humanum est ...(or something like that)
But I 'd like you to show me what exactly is wrong in the quoted section.

Fair enough.
I can't but a good piano player can. Some of those guys will make you go WTF!

You touched on some of the reasons why, no matter how good sample-based piano synths are getting, they remain a poor substitute for a real piano. Digital pianos do a good job, and I like mine, but every time I play one of my real pianos I realize how far we have to go.

[zeoy]

I don't find it cheesy and I am not judging based on sound libraries. All I am saying is that the only parameter that affects the sound (except for pedals) is velocity. In classical guitar for example you can alter the velocity, vibrato play close to bridge or neck, apoyando-tirando, harmonics, artificial harmonics, flamenco type strums, trills and the list goes on. The polyphony and dynamic range is very limited compared to a piano but the list of articulations is endless. And if piano sample libraries sound unreal tell me what you think about guitar libraries or brass libraries. They seem like a joke compared to a good piano library.

I see your point zeoy....by that argument it does seem to lead to the assumption that piano is less expressive, and I also agree that the libraries do much better than for brass or sax or guitar which would also seem in line with ur reasoning....I dont know if that makes the piano "overrated" though....and i must say i have heard some pretty emotional piano pieces......interesting

We seem to mostly agree . The ... "overrated" was a bit provocative and goes with the "shoot me" at the end of my original post. I surely repect the piano and the great piano players but they still can't play anything between a C and a C sharp

[Hovmod]

I surely repect the piano and the great piano players but they still can't play anything between a C and a C sharp

Sure they can.
Of course, a major problem with most other instruments is that it's too easy to play everything BUT C and C sharp

[zeoy]

I surely repect the piano and the great piano players but they still can't play anything between a C and a C sharp

Sure they can.
Of course, a major problem with most other instruments is that it's too easy to play everything BUT C and C sharp

Sorry ??? How do they do that?

[Cabinfever]

i dislike steel drums, saxophones, and flutes

[bermudagold]

bermudagold. hahaha.. wow, that's a crazy coincidence!

i'll never forget my last high school band concert. the teacher we had for the first 3 and a half years was there (the one who stuck me on the trumpet, btw.. and she had left to have some babies), and after the show she came up to me, and was like "oh my God.. i couldn't believe that was you playing those solos!"

I was usually playing 2nd or 3rd parts, but then started playing 1st, and I had so much more fun with it, too. It was a damn shame that I really got into it so late.

good story...yeah by fifth form I was playin in concert band and full orchestra....had actually started playing first trumpet parts....final concert i had all these solos....one i remember the most was from the theme to st elmos fire....lol...i know....the conductor even made me take a separate ovation....never would have seen that comin in first form....i wanted that sax like you but they went alphabetically by last name....by the time they got to me there was only a trumpet and a trombone left....i was like i aint carrying that big ass trombone case through town on the public city bus....lol....forced trumpet player....i started looking for miles davis records and other trumpet players in my moms record collection for inspiration....i was like gotta find a way to like this thing i'm stuck wit it......lol....havent really played since graduated high school....everytime i see one i pick it up and get depressed how i have no lip left.....always sayin imma buy one and start again.....ahhhh memories

[mwa]

everytime i see one i pick it up and get depressed how i have no lip left.....always sayin imma buy one and start again.....ahhhh memories

yeah i do the same thing.

i'm sure if i tried to play anything higher than a g now my face would puff up and i'd let more air out of my ass than my mouth.