Was furious, magix are trying to sort it out now

[bobbyblank]

ha, this is OT,
can ttoz change this thread name to something relevant? it's kinda disturbing.

[heeb]

Just curious - It only takes a couple minutes to set up my PC to connect to the internet, and only a few minutes to completely disable any network connection. Why would some people wait a few days to get a cd that provides something you can get yourself with only a few minutes of settings/services changes?

No offense..but it also only takes a few minutes for your machine to be infected with a virus or spyware etc and wipe out your data or cause chaos.

I would assume that his pc is not connected to the internet due to the fact it isnt protected against the internet. This must be a dedicated workstation with only the bare minimum installed on it for performance reasons.

spot on! my main daw will NEVER EVER be connected!

Sorry about long quote.. but why you guys don't then buy hardware firewall and/or setup Linux computer to work as firewall between and even hide the public ip-addresses so that no viruses can enter your DAW except by your own fault installing such spyware crap (now what such program even would do in your DAW?). Don't install email programs to your DAW, etc.

It's just about proper way to configure your local network and Internet gateway/firewalls.

edit: someone suggested ZoneAlarm (which is software firewall). I suggest do not use such programs (even disable the Windows XP's own firewall) in DAW. Protect the DAW with either hardware firewall, or with separate gateway (Linux) computer. Software firewalls are CPU and unstable timer hogs on highly tweaked DAW.

ZoneAlarm: on my PC, it does certainly *not* use up a noticable amount of CPU time (just checked in my Task Manager: it's totally and utterly neglectible!). There is one slight problem with ZoneAlarm, which involves a slight memory leak *only* when one has a lot of network traffic. A reboot now and then (once every week or so) solves this.

This is all unimportant for the original subject, however! My suggestion was: *temporarily* install ZoneAlarm, *just* to register the software!!! Just uninstall afterwards, and you're done. Hackers will have no chance.

[nuisance sonore]

Just a quick observation. I have a PC which is dual boot, HD are on removeable drawers, one HD for internet and the other for my DAW (well, it's more like a video editing workstation with daw like software and features) which has all networking disabled.

Boot time for the non-internet: 19 seconds(that's from a cold start to my desktop with all HD activities stopped).

Boot time for the internet HD: 1 minutes 12 seconds.

Needless to say that the non connected OS feel much snappier and responsive and with the added advantage that when I'm working, I don't get distraction from the net and do accomplish a lot more work.

[bobbyblank]

jeez. 19 seconds?! wish my machines could do that! is that mostly because your networking
is disabled?
still need my network for clustering a/v.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[BONES]

My workstation is connected , I have no special security tools and I'm 100% confident I will never have any problems. You just need to use a little commn sense to avoid those kinds of things, like not using Outlook. Firefox/Thunderbird is probably as safe as MacOS or Linux if you use your brain.

[haydxn]

ditto. my only pc is connected pretty much all the time. no problems here. heck, no antivirus either. it helps that my net access comes via an ADSL router with it's own built in firewall, but i've never had any problems.

[FaX]

you can all argue till the cows come home, I ain't ever connecting to the net with my desktop.
Let alone a modem itself will never even be near it.

I hear you Ttoz.
My laptop is still on SP1 etc - if it aint broke don't fix it IMHO.
And I have never had it connected too the internet and absolutely no intention of doing so either.
Quite frankly it doesn't need to be.
It isn't meant to be used as a "net" PC.
It's meant to be a DAW.
So I'm with you on this one.

(PS:I've got the cash put aside today for when you get back from the states.)

Cheers
FaX

[kritikon]

I hear you Ttoz.
My laptop is still on SP1 etc - if it aint broke don't fix it IMHO.
And I have never had it connected too the internet and absolutely no intention of doing so either.
Quite frankly it doesn't need to be.
It isn't meant to be used as a "net" PC.
It's meant to be a DAW.
So I'm with you on this one.

Likewise.

It's all well-meant advice, but pointless. If your DAW is never connected to the net, it just is not a problem and you don't have to learn all about shit that you don't want to learn about. The safest way you can do it is just say no to a modem. I don't want Zone-alarm, I don't want to learn how to use Linux, I don't want to fiddle around unhooking connections every single time I want to use my DAW as a DAW. It's a DAW plain and simple and will remain so.

[flugel45]

I hear you Ttoz.
My laptop is still on SP1 etc - if it aint broke don't fix it IMHO.
And I have never had it connected too the internet and absolutely no intention of doing so either.
Quite frankly it doesn't need to be.
It isn't meant to be used as a "net" PC.
It's meant to be a DAW.
So I'm with you on this one.

Likewise.

It's all well-meant advice, but pointless. If your DAW is never connected to the net, it just is not a problem and you don't have to learn all about shit that you don't want to learn about. The safest way you can do it is just say no to a modem. I don't want Zone-alarm, I don't want to learn how to use Linux, I don't want to fiddle around unhooking connections every single time I want to use my DAW as a DAW. It's a DAW plain and simple and will remain so.

My feelings exactly. Amazing how some imply that you're stupid for wanting to keep things as simple as possible.

And I suspect Firefox and Thunderbird users will get a rude awakening shortly as everyone and his brother switches over to them (Based on PCWorld Mag's recommendation, they probably got a million new users just in the last two months... a dangling carrot to the hackers/virus-writers for sure).

JD

[Meffy]

And I suspect Firefox and Thunderbird users will get a rude awakening

Only the ones who don't pay attention.

And five'll get ya ten'll get ya twenty that the Mozilla teams will be infinitely quicker to provide fixes than Microslow. In the time it takes MS to admit a serious flaw has been discovered, the Firefox or Thunderbird guys will have the fix in the hands of users.

[Wormhelmet]

Oh, I hope nobody inferred that I was calling them stupid. I just was trying to figure out the time I might spend streamlining my DAW for no network services and minimal processes running (about 10 minutes) to the amount of time jumping on a different computer and emailing, then getting on the phone, then posting a thread and replying 10 times to it, then waiting for a cd, then actually activating it, then posting about how it worked to everybody. Yes, nothing like keeping it simple!

I'm just joking around. I understand. To each, his own.

[flugel45]

Oh, I hope nobody inferred that I was calling them stupid. I just was trying to figure out the time I might spend streamlining my DAW for no network services and minimal processes running (about 10 minutes) to the amount of time jumping on a different computer and emailing, then getting on the phone, then posting a thread and replying 10 times to it, then waiting for a cd, then actually activating it, then posting about how it worked to everybody. Yes, nothing like keeping it simple!

I'm just joking around. I understand. To each, his own.

Wasn't you, worm. I thought you gave a good account of how to set it up (if one was so inclined).

And having no internet connection for me has been remarkably simple - far from the acrobatics you describe (I know you were kidding). I might need an update once a month if that, and my portable USB memory drive makes the transfer dead easy.


JD

[heeb]

Oh, I hope nobody inferred that I was calling them stupid.

Same here! I wouldn't want anybody to think I'd consider them stupid... There are good arguments for the various views (always/sometimes/never connected). Everybody should be allowed to make their own choices without being called stupid. What we can do here at kvr, is provide each other with, or find, the necessary info to make these choices.

[djsubject]

A downloadable version of a software requires the internet in order to get the software. The Activation process then is of course for security reasons and assumes that the customer does have internet (cuz he got the download). However, in case the customer does not have internet anymore, there is the possibilty to get a backup cd, or in some cases we even send the full CD version.

Many times customes order the eversion, download it, activate it and then dispute it with their CC Company. If that happens often, Software companies have no choice but to increase the price for their software.

Also as a side note, we do allow the installation on a laptop and a desktop if its being used by the same person. There is no "unlimited" license here, but I think its fair as it is.

As I stated above, if there is no way a customer can install it, we do offer the CD version, which in this case we did.

We do not react very happy when customers just want to dispute something, understandable, however maybe the reaction was too plain instead of offering an alternative solution, which we did now.

Believe it or not, we do like to have happy customers, but we are all human.

Tron
MAGIX Support Admin

good to see magix doing the right thing!!

but those email replys you sent where STINK!!!!!!!


i hope this is a lesson lernt


Subz