How has this thread come this far without mention of Wendy Carlos? The Switched On... stuff is about as far as you can get from authentic instrumentation, sure, but it's more sensitive to the music than many of the dusty old 'purists' - even Glenn Gould raved about Carlos' interpretations at every opportunity.
Maybe it sounds a bit unfashionable now. That would be sad, since there's pioneering Moog work from one of the great masters of the synth, and some of the best performances of some of the greatest music ever written - and all on the same CDs!
They've all been reissued as a bargain-priced box set too... Good stuff, recommended listening.
Understanding baroque music
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- KVRist
- 126 posts since 16 Apr, 2004 from Adelaide, South Australia
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- KVRAF
- 2830 posts since 2 Mar, 2003 from The only civilized county in Texas
I'll have to check that out.Wopelka wrote:a great film, indeed - and Marin Marais' music...
Oh, just ordered a 7-string bass viola da gamba. Pretty soon I'll be able to play Marais...
V.
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- Skunk Mod
- 21249 posts since 10 Jun, 2004 from Pony Pasture
Amazing, isn't it? Why, someone ought to have mentioned Carlos by the ninth post on the first page! It's a disgrace nobody did. *tailtwitch* And if I ever find out who didn't, I'll... well, I'll be very angry with that person. *nodnod* It was probably some fool who has all Carlos' work in tacky original vinyl.XDVarenkor wrote:How has this thread come this far without mention of Wendy Carlos?
(Okay, most of it.)
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- KVRian
- 1367 posts since 25 Mar, 2002 from Australia
Meffy wrote:That's right, I'd take my...
*ahem*
... bucks to Hooters.
Heh... Oh sorry. I mean, rather:
I knew a man who swore by Buxtehude. Maintained he was 'better than Bach'. A long bow to draw, but an underrated composer.
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- KVRAF
- 5703 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities
No, it is a painting of Perseus turning Phineus and his followers to stoneblitze wrote:No that's Baptists head (:
But back on topic:
Strangely enough, my favorite Bach is the stuff, A Musical Offering, and The Art of Fugue especially, that aren't written for specific media.
If I ever figure out what I am doing, I would love to realize these using electronic media.
I figure that as they were written as intellectual exercises, that musicologically sound performance practice doesn't really apply.
Still, you would want to do it right. That stuff is Bach talking to the Urstoff in its original language.
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- KVRist
- 117 posts since 22 Jul, 2005
Gee, those Ancient Greeks have all the fun.herodotus wrote:No, it is a painting of Perseus turning Phineus and his followers to stoneblitze wrote:No that's Baptists head (:
Leave ones footprint in that of the mind not the physical world. We have screwed it over enough.
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- vvvvvvv
- 2595 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from skelmersdale, west lancs, uk
tee boy
But first of all I want to state that I consider Handel to be first and foremost an English composer.
When he first arrived in the UK with his command of Italian floribunda and stoic Krautisms he did okay, but not fantastic.
But once he hung around and caught the English groove, he went on to develop a truly new and English style. As a result, the locals and the King came to worship him.
So I consider him an Englishman (just as Americans consider Robert Hope and Charles Chaplin as Amercicans and not Brits)
Handel was in many ways to the successor to Henry Purcell.
But on with the story:
One morning at the Duke of Chandos' big rich pig Baroque palace, Handel was in his four poster bed with his nightcap and gown on (as it was cold in those days), scribbling away with his quill, getting his next masterpiece down on paper.
His servant came in to bring him his morning hot chocolate (only the very best had hot chocolate then) when he remarked to see the Maestro sobbing huge large tears down his face as he wrote his piece.
Handel was in tears of great emotion as he wrote. Astonishing!
(no, he wasn't doing putte impressions)
As it happens, the young kev was mortally impressed by this display.
To sit in bed writing - not actually playing mind you - and be so moved as to come to tears.
This had to be an ultimate musical experience.
Young kev was so inspired by this act of deeply profound musical thought that he there and then made a promise to learn to read and write music, in the hope that one day he could read and write music in bed and cry like Handel.
Okay .. you asked for it ... Handel story coming up.Kev,
Is it true that Handel used an all software setup?
But first of all I want to state that I consider Handel to be first and foremost an English composer.
When he first arrived in the UK with his command of Italian floribunda and stoic Krautisms he did okay, but not fantastic.
But once he hung around and caught the English groove, he went on to develop a truly new and English style. As a result, the locals and the King came to worship him.
So I consider him an Englishman (just as Americans consider Robert Hope and Charles Chaplin as Amercicans and not Brits)
Handel was in many ways to the successor to Henry Purcell.
But on with the story:
One morning at the Duke of Chandos' big rich pig Baroque palace, Handel was in his four poster bed with his nightcap and gown on (as it was cold in those days), scribbling away with his quill, getting his next masterpiece down on paper.
His servant came in to bring him his morning hot chocolate (only the very best had hot chocolate then) when he remarked to see the Maestro sobbing huge large tears down his face as he wrote his piece.
Handel was in tears of great emotion as he wrote. Astonishing!
(no, he wasn't doing putte impressions)
As it happens, the young kev was mortally impressed by this display.
To sit in bed writing - not actually playing mind you - and be so moved as to come to tears.
This had to be an ultimate musical experience.
Young kev was so inspired by this act of deeply profound musical thought that he there and then made a promise to learn to read and write music, in the hope that one day he could read and write music in bed and cry like Handel.
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- KVRAF
- 3266 posts since 22 Sep, 2003 from under the sun
COMPARING BAROQUE/MODERN INTERPRETATIONS
Here are 2 samples of the same Vivaldi's concerto (recordings provided by Amazon). One is performed by a 'modern' orchestra (their CD is considered as one of the best recordings of this Opus on modern instruments) and the other one by a 'barocky' orchestra, on ancient instruments.
You'll hear that pitch, timbres, phrasing are very diffrent. Which one do you prefer?
Sample 1
Sample 2
Here are 2 samples of the same Vivaldi's concerto (recordings provided by Amazon). One is performed by a 'modern' orchestra (their CD is considered as one of the best recordings of this Opus on modern instruments) and the other one by a 'barocky' orchestra, on ancient instruments.
You'll hear that pitch, timbres, phrasing are very diffrent. Which one do you prefer?
Sample 1
Sample 2
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- KVRAF
- 3964 posts since 31 Aug, 2003 from In a foreign town, in a foreign land
The people playing the first bit seem to be in a bit of a hurry.
I really like the second version much better.
Groet, Erik
I really like the second version much better.
Groet, Erik
Pop music delenda est.
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- vvvvvvv
- 2595 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from skelmersdale, west lancs, uk
wopelka 
No contestWhich one do you prefer?
Sample 1
Sample 2
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- KVRAF
- 3266 posts since 22 Sep, 2003 from under the sun
do you mean you share tetraplan's opinion?kevvvvv wrote:No contest
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- vvvvvvv
- 2595 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from skelmersdale, west lancs, uk
Wopelka
v1 has all the nervous energy of ppl who are excited to be there. The small dissonances in the intonation add to the ravishing feeling of the slower notes over the top.
Plus the harpsi adds a thumping great backbeat to stir the senses.
No contest
(got a tarnce version, guv?)
v2 is syruppy and lethargic, and bears all the sigsn of an expensive and over-large orchestra who'd probably prefer playing Tchaikovsky.do you mean you share tetraplan's opinion?
v1 has all the nervous energy of ppl who are excited to be there. The small dissonances in the intonation add to the ravishing feeling of the slower notes over the top.
Plus the harpsi adds a thumping great backbeat to stir the senses.
No contest
(got a tarnce version, guv?)
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- KVRAF
- 3266 posts since 22 Sep, 2003 from under the sun
ahh! way more close to my own opinion! 
yet i wouldn't be so severe with regard to Sample2. it's a nice, honest version on modern instruments. but yeah, the baroque spirit is lacking big time.
the names:
Sample1: Hogwood - The Academy of Ancient Music
Sample2: I Musici
i would also recommend Fabio Biondi's performance (for any Vivaldi opus).
yet i wouldn't be so severe with regard to Sample2. it's a nice, honest version on modern instruments. but yeah, the baroque spirit is lacking big time.
the names:
Sample1: Hogwood - The Academy of Ancient Music
Sample2: I Musici
i would also recommend Fabio Biondi's performance (for any Vivaldi opus).
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- KVRAF
- 7217 posts since 21 Aug, 2004 from Trondheim, Norway
Ah, Biondi! Any recording by him! Baroque or not! He's a mutant!Wopelka wrote:i would also recommend Fabio Biondi's performance (for any Vivaldi opus).
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