Dongle?? WIll Philharmonik have one??

[dougsyo]

Doug: Once you run out of codes just let us know and we will unlock more for you...

Understood. I'm admittedly partial to NI's model because I have several of their products, but also the "geek" in me likes the self-maintenance model. On the other hand, they only allow two concurrent auths at a time. Oh well *shrug* beats a dongle.

Doug

[telebunke]

And will ST2.1 support this dongle, so Philarmonik sounds can be used in Sampletank?

Philharmonik is taking advantage of features that will not be in ST2.1, so ST2.1 couldn't load it anyway.

[AndrewSimon]

I don't know, if Amplitube2 will need a dongle I will have to make some hard decisions.
I would really hate to break my NO DONGLE rule.
I did sell Halion3 once I found the dongle inside the box.

For me it's not the fear of breaking or loosing the dongle, it's the thought that this thing takes up CPU cycles I so much try to preserve.
It will also force me to enable USB, that will take up an IRQ.

Now if you have one app like this no big deal but once we start to give into these dongles and every developer will start to adopt them, what will happen?
What happens when 35 plugs all fight for CPU time to access the dongle(s) several times every second?

I read somewhere that Cubase make hundreds of call per second to the dongle.... what a waste of resources and for what?

Squid you are a great salesman and you can sugarqote anything but LOL you sound as if IK is in some kind of financial trouble and we need to sacrifice to save it.

[Caleb]

I've deliberately disabled USB on my music computer as it can cause issues with my Scope cards - PCI bus bandwidth etc..

All my decisions have been made up to this point to avoid USB connectivity to my music computer.

As I had already decided to throw in my lot with IK/SR and their products - now I have a bloody awful decision to make - one that I wasn't expecting.

I didn't like the current copy protection scheme and usually will avoid it in the products I buy, but I made an exception for IK because of the quality of their products. Now they're asking me to accept a copy protection scheme I hate even more with a possibility of having to change my motherboard just to run the thing.

So I'll have to think about this some more.

I really do love these products and have eagerly anticipated Philharmonik probably more than any other VSTi since I started working with computer music.

It does look like IK have thought this through and tried at least to make it as painless as possible and I do like the portability of the copy protection.

I do think it would have been better to have been upfront about the possibility of a copy protection change before announcing the pre-orders as copy protection schemes are well known to be a factor in the decision-making process for music software.

I think I'll just have to go away and think about it for a while. I've pre-ordered Philharmonik so I'll have to come to my decision pretty quickly I guess.

Caleb

[loophead]

Quite a sad day to hear this bs. Only the unscrupulous need to think like the unscrupulous. Oh its all good ...! No it is not I hope enough folks walk away from this while letting them know why we are walking. Dongles are most intrusive. You have not answered Saschas question about pre enabling backup dongles.... this lack of answer for me tells the entire tale. I will not buy this product and I will not upgrade my other IKM softs if those updates require the feds the nsa or any backwater crew of software designers into my computer. You are not invited. If I buy a house YOU should not be in control of the front door. I am NOT a thief NOR will I be treated like one. If enough people agree with me you loose. But I see from so much of this that you all dont really care do you ? If I may stretch an analogy... Benjamin Franklin once said that "anyone willing to give up freedom in the name of safety deserves neither" To bad you seem to agree with this current administration if this is your solution. What a sad mistake. Well there are plenty of other software solutions out there including the original library (which by the way did you re-tune ???) Pity really. Sad f'in day.

[Sascha Franck]

Hm, while I do hate any sort of copy protection getting in my way (whatever that means), I never even thought about disabling USB on any machine, simply because it's uber-useful. I've got a bunch of mobile devices that I just attach to my music machines via USB - would cause headaches to change this.

[Caleb]

Hm, while I do hate any sort of copy protection getting in my way (whatever that means), I never even thought about disabling USB on any machine, simply because it's uber-useful. I've got a bunch of mobile devices that I just attach to my music machines via USB - would cause headaches to change this.

I found I got better performance from my system without it and I just factored uber-useful USB devices out of the equation.

Actually - it was quite some time ago now (2 years or more). It may have been prompted by the fact that I was having problems getting USB devices working on it.

It was a system purpose-built around the Scope cards and at time of purchase I had decided to wear whatever cost that implied. At the time it seemed that USB was the cost.

I just retreated for half and hour to clear my head because I was quite pissed off at the whole dongle thing and came back a little more calm. I think I'll give the dongle a go and just scream raw fury if I have problems with it.

Sounds like a plan.

Caleb

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[Kim Lajoie]

I will not buy this product and I will not upgrade my other IKM softs if those updates require the feds the nsa or any backwater crew of software designers into my computer. You are not invited. If I buy a house YOU should not be in control of the front door.

Take it easy. No-one's going to be spying on your computer via an IK Multimedia USB key. It's only there to enable the software to work. That's all. There's no funny business going on.

-Kim.

[loophead]

Why should I take it easy when you have just told me that two of my very used softwares (amplitube and sampletank) are about to be toast ! Been waiting quite avidly for A2 and now I have to go elsewhere. Let me repeat that so you can hear it clearly - HAVE to go eleswhere. You just have no clue what this dongle shit means to your faithful customers. Take it easy ? Please bend over...further...no further...no further... I 've had enough crap with my country run by evil bastards telling me how they are protecting me and how its for my own good and how I should trust them. I dont trust them and I dont trust a company with a dongle fetish. If thats the best IKM can offer it is not good enough. Not even in the ballpark guys, not even in the ballpark. Sad f'in day.

[Rellik]

I only have a couple of concerns about this dongle thing... Philharmonik is the perfect size to fit on a laptop (as I'll be doing a year from now) - but I fear it'll be a pain to carry the laptop around with a dongle sticking out of it that could easily be brushed up against and it would be terrible if it broke...

Also, I'm afraid of the MASSIVE efficiency problems that came from the dongle mechanism in Cubase SX3. If that's what having a dongle means in Philharmonik as well... well, that's a problem . I'm not cancelling my pre-order (which I made without hearing any individual instrument demo's - quite a leap of faith) because, for one thing, we don't even know if there's going to be an efficiency hit or not (is Philharmonik using the same TECHNOLOGY as SX3, or just the same device?), and also because I NEED to FINALLY get an orchestral library, and this is the one I chose...

If these problems do manifest themselves, then... well, you know. There are ways around that sort of thing. There's no reason to be ashamed of it, but I don't think I need to be more specific.

[Beardedone]

Sorry but the dongle kills it for me. I know too many unhappy Cubase users to trust them.

See ya,
Gordon

[sghoughton]

If I had a choice - I'd vote for no dongle as well. My only experience with them was with 3dstudio way back when and they've moved off that in recent years due to complaints. I think I'd like to have some kind of temporary bypass mechanism though that would make the software useful for some period of days if there is a case of the dongle becoming lost/broken/ineffective so you can still use the software during the time you try to rectify the situation. Is there anything like that built into this process?

steve

[Kim Lajoie]

I fear it'll be a pain to carry the laptop around with a dongle sticking out of it that could easily be brushed up against

No need to have it plugged in all the time - you only need it when you're actually using the software. When I'm out I keep my USB key on my keyring (it is a key after all), and plug it in to my laptop when I'm actually making music.

-Kim.

[IK Support]

I have a 4 port hub with a Nuendo 2, Philharmonik, Samplitude 8 & Cubase SX dongle on it and have never had any issues at all with my system. This is my personal system I record alot and its run perfectly.

I understand its a drag to have all these dongles but when I can load up software that lets me do anything I can imagine with no boundaries, no studio time breathing down my neck and enparts massive amounts of joy in my life, a dongle is the least of my worries.

Just my thoughts...