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nuffink wrote:I'm sorry, I just disagree. Yesterday isn't the most covered song of all time because of GM's production. It would have been if I'd have produced it and I'm shite.
History doesn't record who stretched Picasso's canvasses for him. George, through assiduous self promotion has made sure of his place.
You make it easy for yourself by going with 'Yesterday', which is indeed, like 'Blackbird' a simple song with simple production values.



'A Day in the Life' on the other hand, would have been something else entirely without George Martin. John may have 'come up' with the 'Orchestra going out of control' idea, but GM wrote the music for it, orchestrated it, recorded it, and mixed it with everything else using old fashioned tape splicing.

Perhaps you think that would be easy to do with the technology they, or rather, he had at their (his) disposal.

But whether or no, 'merely stretching the canvas' is a pretty unrealistic representation of George Martins role.

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clueless wrote:I'm working on the theory that this was written by someone starting from the premise of "I don't like the Beatles, and this is why I'm right".
i'm still reading thru these posts and i haven't made it thru the second essay, but even before i toss in my 2 pennies, i must say i agree completely... the more names one drops and historical senarios & such doesn't make an opinion correct... and George was a lousey guitarist? huh? (plus name a better song than "something") i've just begun in the last 5-7 years or so to really get the beatles and i'm glad i do...whatever...zappa said "writing about music is like dancing about architecture"

(ok, i've caught up on the posts)

you guys are all wrong...billy preston was the 5th beatle :wink:

but, i think you guys covered everything else...
(and i love the VU as well)

rg
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There's a post going on KVR about " what is the stupidest thing you've ever heard said about music?" I've only read the last 2 posts from this thread and already I can't make up my mind! Although in fairness to Herotodus and Rossg I'll say the choices are both in the quote from nufflink... :hihi:

But what is truly academic is trying to dissect the contributions of three of music's greatest geniuses. You might as well try to get the marajuana back out of a batch of brownies!
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Hewitt Huntwork wrote:There's a post going on KVR about " what is the stupidest thing you've ever heard said about music?" I've only read the last 2 posts from this thread and already I can't make up my mind! Although in fairness to Herotodus and Rossg I'll say the choices are both in the quote from nufflink... :hihi:

But what is truly academic is trying to dissect the contributions of three of music's greatest geniuses. You might as well try to get the marajuana back out of a batch of brownies!
well, i guess you showed me.... :?:

(edit) Huh?

rg
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<While the Velvet Underground, Frank Zappa, the Doors, Pink Floyd and many others were composing long and daring suites worthy of avant garde music, thus elevating rock music to art, the Beatles continued to yield three minute songs built around a chorus. Beatlemania and its myth notwithstanding, Beatles fans went crazy for twenty seconds of trumpet, while the Velvet Underground were composing suites of chaos twenty minutes long. Actually, between noise and a trumpet, between twenty seconds and twenty minutes, there was an artistic difference of several degrees of magnitude. They were, musically, sociologically, politically, artistically, and ideologically, on different planets.>

:D I dig all those bands, And yet The Beatles still stand out. Avant Garde is ground breaking music, and yet I get lost inside the noodlings to quickly. I can listen to jazz for hours and still grove to an old beatles tune. It's apples and Oranges. I need Zappa as much as I need the Beatles,Pink Floyd. Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus , Miles Davis et all. And I make no distinction with good music. If it catches my ear and it touches my soul, It's good music :) Ol GM might have acted to smooth over the fab four's experimental urges but that's history. I love it for what it is/was/and forever will be. It was Pop, melodic,catchy,cutting edge,new,different, and most of all good music. Great craft. and just plain beatles.
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If anyone can read the lyrics to Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds and still think the Beatles were crap ... well... they don't know shit :D
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well written lawapa, <grin>

never each day is the same, sometime we need a catchy well sung simple pop song

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I don't agree that The Beatles wrote simple pop songs. Listening to their music doesn't inspire simple thoughts, and I personally believe that music is defined by its results.
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well simple to me doesn't mean cheap or any other diminutive term,

e.g. Pink Floyd Ummagumma is not simple,

also I think about the music mostly, not the lyrics

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I didn't mean cheap either. I meant the amount of levels of deepness something might have, the complexity of thoughts a song inspires. And that is something that cannot be diminished by some tossers essay on the internet ;)
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Andrew Vernon wrote:I don't agree that The Beatles wrote simple pop songs. Listening to their music doesn't inspire simple thoughts, and I personally believe that music is defined by its results.
That first sentence of yours made me think of ABBA. f**king genious pop songs is what both they and the beatles wrote. It's not like it's EASY to make awesome pop.

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freeztar wrote:Of course they were clowns, but I will never set aside Abbey Road!!!!

Music is music, enjoy it or muck about.
Perhaps the Beatles are both, but one thing remains....
They were great!!
I agree.

There is some serious crap/overstatement in that spray.

The author should have a listen to Come Together, I want you/She's so heavy and Oh Darling and tell me again how they stripped all "black" elements out of R&R.

Eg

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I love the beatles but if I had to be stranded on a desert island with a complete collection i'd pick

"THE WHO"

Keith Moon alone keeps me amused for hours on end.
for me the greatest Rock Band ever :)

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Sell Out - The Who

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liqih wrote:"Beatles' "aryan" music removed any trace of black music from rock and roll: it replaced syncopated african rhythm with linear western melody, and lusty negro attitudes with cute white-kid smiles."
What a hilarious, fetid, steaming and stinking pile of crap (most of the article - this quite simply amuses me).

So-called rock critics kill me: seems to me it most often comes down to a posture of "see how clever I am"

Sometimes music is a commercial success precisely because it is good.

People have been re-writing the Beatles for nearly 40 years. That says a lot.

Feh.
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