Rumours of Cubase SX 4

[christianmusicmaker]

I think features get to the point of ... 'Do I really now need: Liquid time-line evaporation revamping'?

Flipper.

Just brilliant! I almost fell off my chair reading that.

[jasonsantiago]

SX3 is actually fairly stable on my machine, but coming from Logic I just can't understand how they don't implement certain functionalities (such as a user defineable mixer) or (worse) leave them out even if they existed in previous versions (such as audio to MIDI, which is freaking essential in case you plan to get a trigger track from real multitracked drums). And of course there's tons more.

What exactly does this mean?

Do we need to talk about insufficient dual monitor support?

OUCH. I hear that The sole reason I stopped using Dual's and have one 24 inch widescreen CRT.

Do we need to talk about not being able to record VSTi plugin parameter movements as plain MIDI data? Perfectly possible in Logic, and yes it DOES make sense, should you want to tweak a filter sweep or something (things like stretching come to mind).

I'm confused. I was pretty sure that I could stretch a track and the automation would stretch too. I'd have to check again.


Pretty good rant though, I mostly agree. They always miss what I want updated and add something I'd never use. I have about the same number of complaints with Logic, though (the world's biggest time wasting feature reduction ever, AU with no VST compatibility). Each hosts has strengths and weaknesses.

I got tired of having all these useless tracks showing in the sequencer window for automation.

Hm? I'm confused. I've never experienced this. If I add a VST plugin to a track, click the plus, I can one by one add the automation channels I want and keep them open or closed.

I'm also confused by people saying they can't move automation tied to a track. When I draw automation I can cut the midi or audio track, and the automation moves with it.

What serious problems does Logic have these days?

Biggies:
1) AU time wasting feature reduction (fewer plug-ins, delayed release times for plug-ins I already own!)
2) No destructive editor
3) No PC

#2 and #3 will prevent me from ever owning Logic again... I need to be able to switch platforms without this OMF garbage. #2 its just rediculous, I cannot fathom why this is missing.

But I would not want to run SX3 on a laptop setup on stage. I don't think that makes me a fanatic

Funny, I've played so many shows with cubase and never crash. You can crash any program. By playing with cubase at home, I know what it can and cannot do. Almost always I crash because I did something insane with Reaktor, not cubase's fault.

It seems to me though that the further down this route they go, the more unwieldy Cubase is actually becoming... which is precisely what live musicians DO NOT want their software to be.

No idea what you mean by this, I used SX1, 2, 3 live, and going from 2 to 3 I could barely tell ANY feature changes. SX1-2 was barely a whole version upgrade.

I also must say the SX mixer is crap, mainly because the routing is simply awful (i.e., almost none!)

[headquest]

But I would not want to run SX3 on a laptop setup on stage. I don't think that makes me a fanatic

Funny, I've played so many shows with cubase and never crash. You can crash any program. By playing with cubase at home, I know what it can and cannot do. Almost always I crash because I did something insane with Reaktor, not cubase's fault.

Well for one thing there, you're a braver man than me!

I agree that any program can and does crash, but you must admit some are easier to crash than others! I take your point about working out the limitations of your setup back at home... but I personally find Cubase SX too CPU intensive, to the point that it compromises the likely success of using it live.

It seems to me though that the further down this route they go, the more unwieldy Cubase is actually becoming... which is precisely what live musicians DO NOT want their software to be.

No idea what you mean by this, I used SX1, 2, 3 live, and going from 2 to 3 I could barely tell ANY feature changes. SX1-2 was barely a whole version upgrade.

What I meant is that Cubase is actually quite complex to work with. I would choose Ableton Live for live use because, more than anything else, everything you could possibly want to do can be accompished with one simple trigger... which can be done of course using the computer keystrokes, using a MIDI controller, foot pedal or whatever. Can you really acheive this with Cubase?

Check this video out to see more what I mean:

http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=a ... kid-beyond

And: http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=a ... b=bortnick

Also I am interested to know how you cope with the lack of gapless audio in Cubase when you're on stage...?