Questions about Philharmonik

[z15]

thank you squids, sounds like those methods would be sufficient. most of my choice boils to the sound of the lib, philharmonik and ewqlso gold sound best to my liking from the ones in my price range. time for some more thinking and comparing...

yossarian, thanks for the tip - i'm indeed on mac osx currently but i'm not sure what the situation will be when i get round upgrading my musicmaking setup. i'll keep that util in mind.

[Squids]

Both of those are good. I have them. I think on the recording side of things EWQLSO is pretty darn good. On the emotion of the playing I think Miroslav has most orchestral collections beat. On features and variety of sounds it is a toss up which gives you more for the money. You almost can't go wrong whichever way you decide. Obviously we hope you get Philharmonik. But, either way you go we want you to be happy with what you get. I'd make plans to get both if possible. Start with one and then do some gigs or save up some money and get another one.

As biased as I am though I think that if one was going to pick one orchestral product to have and that's it then Philharmonik is the best one for the money. It even has choirs too and most others don't. It's a great deal. But, each person must decide at their own pace. Hopefully that's in time for some of these deals in the launch period. If not then it is still a good deal even after the price goes up a bit.

[Yossarian]

That's great. I like it when you guys mention cool utlities that can do more things with your ST set ups. I think Energy XT might be able to do some cool tricks as well. I will try the two you mentioned Yoss.

That's great, Squids. I mentioned KeySwitch in a KAB-related thread where the developer was participating but he didn't comment on it so I assumed that it might be a sensitive matter as the app in question was from a competitor.

For Mac there's a midi app called controlAid that seems pretty powerful. The problem is that it only deals with cc data, not note-on triggers. As I also use a Mac I asked the developer about it and he had two suggestions:

1) Use midiPipe to translate the key triggers to cc data and then controlAid to do the switching between different midi output channels.
2) Use controlAid directly by assigning e.g. the mod wheel to send cc data to controlAid for the switching. It will probably be impractical to control more than 3 or 4 different articulations this way but in some cases that could be enough.

/Yoss

[loogoo]

Didn't want to start a new thread but I wanted to say how impressed I am by the Dvorak demo. The more I listen to it the more I can't wait for my copy of Philharmonik to arrive! I have a question about how the demo was produced. Was it notated first, then imported into a sequencer? Was it played live or step-input into a sequencer? I'm asking because I am trying to get an idea of what the best approach is for something as intricate as this piece. Thanks.

[Squids]

Thanks Loogoo. I picked the harder Dvorak piece. The largo section would have been a lot easier (and I will probably do that because the "Going Home" theme is so beautiful). I did it the lazy way which is to scan the sheet music as a starting point and then tweak away in the sequencer. I didn't have enough time to tweak until it matched exactly what I wanted but we needed a demo so I did what I could. One of the things I was going to do was lay up the original recording and try to match it but then you have to use tempo maps and be meticulous. Still, given the time you can get incredible results.

Of course, a real orchestra is a real orchestra. There are infinite possibilities and with samples you are essentially reanimating a performance. But, it sure is an incredible compositional and performance power to be able to do it! It'd be fun to just sit and play with it all day long instead of working on a million other things I have to do. Of course, today I AM playing with it making more demos. I prefer the original music (or at least "mocking" soundtracks and classical pieces) demos over trying to nail a classical piece verbatim because it is more creative and faster to play to the sounds as opposed to getting the sounds to sound like a particular symphonic piece. But, both can be done. Some can do it faster than others. There are many ways. I am not a very faster reader of music so since I play more by ear I like to just play what I feel. But, that's just me. I am not a classical musician although I do love classical music very much.

The other thing to remind people of is that orchestral products are certainly not JUST for classical music and soundtracks. Orchestras are heard in almost every style of music from rock to country to jazz to dance as well. Philharmonik is a nice source to have in your set up no matter what style of music you do. I will be showing some demos of how it sounds in pop music, progressive rock and other styles too. Plus, I imagine users will have demos when they have it in their hands in a few weeks (almost here!).

[Derek up North]

There are infinite possibilities and with samples you are essentially reanimating a performance.

Nice way of explaining it, though I think you've missed a marketing trick there - "Dawn of the Zombie Orchestra" would have had much more impact as a name than "Philharmonik"

Regards,

Derek.

[z15]

Nice way of explaining it, though I think you've missed a marketing trick there - "Dawn of the Zombie Orchestra" would have had much more impact as a name than "Philharmonik"

hahaha, that realization almost made me pick up an image manipulation program to design a new ad for philharmonik

miroslav zombilharmonik?

[Squids]

Maybe next time.

[Rellik]

Ok, big question:

I need to know what day Philharmonik is going to be released/get here (U.S.).

I had been assuming right around the middle of August - if it's going to be later than that, by how much? I need it to be able to complete an orchestral piece for a project I am working on - the 19th is the deadline I'm shooting for, but the 24th is the ABSOLUTE deadline. Pleeeease say it's not going to be too much later than expected and how long does normal shipping normally take? I didn't realize this would be such a crunch...

Anyway, uh, looking forward to it!
I dont mean this post to seem insensitive or anything, I'm just kind of rushing to get this information...

[nexussynth]

Ok, big question:

I need to know what day Philharmonik is going to be released/get here (U.S.).

I had been assuming right around the middle of August - if it's going to be later than that, by how much? I need it to be able to complete an orchestral piece for a project I am working on - the 19th is the deadline I'm shooting for, but the 24th is the ABSOLUTE deadline. Pleeeease say it's not going to be too much later than expected and how long does normal shipping normally take? I didn't realize this would be such a crunch...

Anyway, uh, looking forward to it!
I dont mean this post to seem insensitive or anything, I'm just kind of rushing to get this information...

The thing with 'new' libs is that one should never 'plan' on using them until they are actually installed on one's HD.

Release dates are always tentative. Manufactures strive to get their product out in a timely manner and so do sample library developers, but if you've got a project with a deadline then you would be prudent to just act like the new library doesn't exist yet and go forward.

I'm betting though that Miro will be availabe for shipment after the 3rd week of this month, but am I right?

[Squids]

Ok, big question:

I need to know what day Philharmonik is going to be released/get here (U.S.).

I had been assuming right around the middle of August - if it's going to be later than that, by how much? I need it to be able to complete an orchestral piece for a project I am working on - the 19th is the deadline I'm shooting for, but the 24th is the ABSOLUTE deadline. Pleeeease say it's not going to be too much later than expected and how long does normal shipping normally take? I didn't realize this would be such a crunch...

Anyway, uh, looking forward to it!
I dont mean this post to seem insensitive or anything, I'm just kind of rushing to get this information...

I think it could ship as early as mid next week. But, it will go our in the order pre-orders were received. You can, however, opt to pay for overnight shipping for when yours DOES ship. It's all coming together right now. The box looks ACE! This is the best looking box IK has ever had. Real sleek, full of information. The poster is cool too. You guys are going to LOVE this! Really. It's got a lot of blood, sweat and tears in it.

[Squids]

Oh and I've got yet ANOTHER unannounced bonus for anyone who has or is pre-ordering their copy on www.esoundz.com Not only do you get over 50 custom unreleased combi patches but we may be doing a little promo coming up and like I tend to do we are going to make it go backwards a bit and cover all that have pre-ordered it too. So, in other words, in about a month or so we're going to have an extra bonus for Philharmonik users that many will find to be a real big added value to their purchase (as if they didn't have enough already). But, I don't want anyone who was cool enough to support us by pre-ordering to kick themselves for not waiting so I am going to count every person who pre-orders on esoundz in on this upcoming promo. Sorry I can't reveal any details about it just yet. Think of it more as a nice surprise. Something extra that you'll qualify for.

So, here's your chance if you haven't jumped on it yet.

http://www.esoundz.com/details/viewDeta ... ductID=543

You have until next Wednesday to qualify for a "pre-order" discount. On Thursday the price will go up just a bit for regular orders (as it will be shipping by latest the following Monday or as soon as the pre-orders are out the door). Then, as I said before, the price will go up even more after September 30th when the initial launch period discount is up.

Now, if you want to get a $599 product (that used to be a library that was $4,000) for only $319. then listen up! Here's how you can. Do you own SampleTank 2 L or XL? Congratulations, you qualify for a discounted "crossgrade" to Miroslav Philharmonik and can get it for $319. here: http://www.esoundz.com/details/viewDeta ... ductID=598

You don't even have to do anything, just go to that link and buy it. As long as you are a registered user of ST2L or XL you will be able to authorize your Miroslav Philharmonik Crossgrade.

There are OTHER qualifiers for the crossgrade discount too. Do you own ANY of the original Miroslav libraries? Akai, Kurzweil, Giga, Unity, SampleCell... if you own just any one disc of that you qualify for the crossgrade to Philharmonik as well. For that you will have to contact alex@esoundz.com who is the sales manager and he will verify your qualifing product and set you up with the crossgrade at this low price.

An extra bonus that I've mentioned before but since it is only going on for the launch period I am going to mentioned it several times. We are offering the opportunity for GPO users to also crossgrade too with a different than usual angle. We're not trying to get you GPO users to switch. We're showing that more than one orchestral product offer you more flavors, features and sounds to choose from. Gary Garritan and I both believe that the more people that get into these products and add to their collection the better for them and also for us. It's not a battle. I too have purchased products like GPO, EWQLSO, VSL and as a composer I find them all to be fantastic tools along with my new Miroslav Philharmonik. Okay, if you had to narrow it down to just one then I'd say Philharmonik and Gary would say GPO. But, we have an attitude about it that puts the user in mind first. If someone owns GPO and they want to squeeze into their budget another orchestral product like Philharmonik? We're gonna help you out and save you a little. But, just for the launch period. We're only doing it on esoundz and I got special permission to do it only because we've ordered so many Philharmoniks (yes, we have to order them just like any other store does in case you were wondering).

I'd like to thank everyone who has pre-ordered. We went out on a line and ordered a massive amount in anticipation of large volume pre-orders like we've had in the past with products like Sonik Synth 2. I've already placed our second order so we won't run out in case a lot more people order. A hot product such as this is tricky if stores don't order a large amount of stock because as soon as another store does it can easily be back ordered and it takes sometimes 2-4 weeks for the product to be manufactured. You'll barely ever see a product back ordered from esoundz because we stock up when we feel the demand is going to be high. That's one of the benefits of spending almost every day on the forum talking to your customers (or potential customers). That kind of paying attention and the feedback we get helps us serve you better.

Wow, that was a Squids beakful.

So, thanks for helping us help you.

[sirbellog]

Just one confirmation (and sorry if this has been asked before) :
Am I right to assume that the new protection system (an usb key if i'm not mistaken) will allow one to use Philharmonik on any computer of his/her choice (one computer a time of course) just by plugging the key into the computer (and having the sampleset on a drive, for example an external usb/firewire device) ?
Such a flexibility would be a great feature in fact.

[telebunke]

Just one confirmation (and sorry if this has been asked before) :
Am I right to assume that the new protection system (an usb key if i'm not mistaken) will allow one to use Philharmonik on any computer of his/her choice (one computer a time of course) just by plugging the key into the computer (and having the sampleset on a drive, for example an external usb/firewire device) ?
Such a flexibility would be a great feature in fact.

Yes, that's the fun part of it. The key holds the license and you can install it on all your PCs and Macs. Plug in the key and go, go go...

tele

[sirbellog]

So, that's for sure,
If needed, i can travel with my key, an external drive, and voila....
ready to compose anytime, anywhere ?