have fancy textures and modulation killed melody?

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androidlove wrote:
shamann wrote:"the perception of pleasant arrangements of musical notes," "a parade of notes, one following the other meaningfully," or "a sweet or agreeable succession or arrangement of musical tones."
that's how i define melody
The problem there is that words like pleasant, meaningful, sweet or agreeable define responses to the thing, not the thing itself. Melody is a thing itself that can be good, bad or neutral. If you say "Melody is the sweet arrangement of notes," then how do you define melodies that are clearly melodies within a musical structure but are not sweet? They would be unsweet sweet arrangements of notes?

If instead of saying you define melody as such, you change it to you prefer melody as such, at least the dialogue is left open and something useful might come of it. Otherwise you just get folk standing in meaningless opposition to each other. Isn't there enough of that crap in the world already?

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jens wrote:
normal wrote:alright ...
nobody leaves this room , until we find out who killed melody ...
I thought it was Vurt... ? :?

well you would but your a tosser,wOO says so.
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sorry its tosspot :shrug:

<wOO> *jens is a tosspot*
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shamann wrote:ill-considered shitfest
A potential band name if I ever heard one :D

Thanks for the comments. I think I agree. It's all about how you define things. And since music is subjective entertainment there certainly aren't any absolute merits to one or the other.

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@shamann
yea i want cheesey poofs!

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androidlove wrote:are artsy farts considered melodic?
Yes, melody is in the wind. :hihi:

But so what? Calling it melody is merely describing phenomena, not ascribing any quality to it.

Are all melodies pleasant? No, but the good ones are. And good means different things to different folk.

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Melody would, I think, be pretty hard to kill, considering it's longevity.

But shamann is right, people throw these ill defined words around pretty carelessly sometimes (I hasten to add, not in this thread, at least so far).

The problem is that 'music' and 'melody' are very protean terms, used by some to mean something very specific, By others to mean something else very specific, and by yet others to mean something general.

Unfortunately, no one stipulates in advance which one they mean, hence the confusion.

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normal wrote:alright ...
nobody leaves this room , until we find out who killed melody ...
It was Josie! I know it was, she was always jealous of Melody's long blonde headfur. Erm, I mean "hair."

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Mystery solved. (Just call me Shaggy.) Now we can leave the room (or thread)! Scooby Snacks for everyone!

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Sometimes I'll be playing a complex pad, and a melody will emerge from it - I can then emphasize it with more distinct instruments.

I do feel that a lot of electronic music is too devoid of melody, but that's just my personnal opinion.

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normal wrote:alright ...
nobody leaves this room , until we find out who killed melody ...
If showing a young lady the time of her life is killing her, then you can lock me up and throw away the key.

But the short answer is: "God, I hope so."
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shamann wrote:"a parade of notes, one following the other meaningfully,"
This is exactly the definition that I reckon most people would go for, and is perfectly acceptable to my mind.
shamann wrote:The problem there is that words like pleasant, meaningful, sweet or agreeable define responses to the thing, not the thing itself. Melody is a thing itself that can be good, bad or neutral. If you say "Melody is the sweet arrangement of notes," then how do you define melodies that are clearly melodies within a musical structure but are not sweet? They would be unsweet sweet arrangements of notes?
This doesn't actually counteract the definition above. The quintessential idea of a melody is unlikely to be vastly dissimilar between most people and it's not within the province of conflicting subjective reactions to auditory material to impact this theoretical concept. Of course though, this renders qualifying a response to the original question a close to impossible proposition.

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robenestobenz wrote:This doesn't actually counteract the definition above. The quintessential idea of a melody is unlikely to be vastly dissimilar between most people and it's not within the province of conflicting subjective reactions to auditory material to impact this theoretical concept. Of course though, this renders qualifying a response to the original question a close to impossible proposition.
Ouf, you must be fun at parties.

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shamann wrote:
robenestobenz wrote:This doesn't actually counteract the definition above. The quintessential idea of a melody is unlikely to be vastly dissimilar between most people and it's not within the province of conflicting subjective reactions to auditory material to impact this theoretical concept. Of course though, this renders qualifying a response to the original question a close to impossible proposition.
Ouf, you must be fun at parties.
argumentum ad hominem. Also, I'm actually pretty good fun at parties, and distinguishing between one and a forum enough to expect and exhibit different behaviour certainly helps.

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