Waves Platinum or Voxengo Plugs and a computer upgrade?

[jens]

... double post

[chagzuki]

So, is this feature actually a switch that puts *in* a simulated noisy circuit?

Yeah, for no extra cost.

[james0tucson]

Anyone needing a complete basic set of full-featured plugs that didn't grab those really missed out.

Your message was the first I ever heard of this product.

Seems it's the merchant who "missed out" by failing to reach me, the prospective customer. Now that I know the correct price on the product, if it's being offered at a higher price, why would it interest me now?

[Stairsteps]

Oh - I forgot to mention. Probably the best deal on effects lately was the Cakewalk Sonitus bundle for $150. Great UIs and great sounding plug-ins. Anyone needing a complete basic set of full-featured plugs that didn't grab those really missed out. I bought em even though I had the Waves Platinum package. That Sonitus bundle is really a steal.

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I agree Sonitus which are standard stuff with Sonar pro edition are mighty fine esp the reverb.

Effects are a tricky affair, knowing when to apply is the key, and then how much to apply is another trick, considering the project youre working on and how many other effects are going in the chain of the mix you can destroy a good recording or turn a dull one into something special, all with either the proper or inproper use of effects, Waves / Voxengo / Izotope/ ect.. dosent matter if you dont know when where and how to apply them. They are all powerful enough in the right hands.
Voxengo stuff is great but I use it for personal work more than my client work. The many times I have saved a bad recording with Waves have paid for themselfs several times over, and the look on the clients face when I pull some of these recordings back from the dead is astonishing. Get both if you can and remember for ppl that love music like we seem to do its great to buy the stuff and own the manuel and support the developers that way they can come up with more stuff for us to debate over lol its the only way.

[Frippertronix]

Waves sucks.

[OMU]

bmaniac, congratulations for your 1000th post.
anyway, i'm really surprised about the way you look at L3. seems to me that what makes it great is annoying you. your tastes man.
and thank you for your wise advice. i am using my mind everyday creatively, how about you?

[OMU]

by the way, this thread begins to suck.

[Sascha Franck]

There's three problems with the Waves stuff:
- Price. But they might be worth it though, especially if compatibility is an issue. But in that case host compatibility would be even more of an issue. All the people I'm working with actually don't care about compatibilit a lot in case I'm able to supply consolidated tracks, OMF files, SMF files or whatever.
Anyways, 1900 Euro list price for the native Platinum bundle is nothing else but pathetic, most of the other bundles don't look any better either. And let's not even talk about the TDM prices. "Ok, Digidesign allready shafted you for their too expensive hardware, so, why shouldn't we at Waves not shaft you even more?".
- PACE. There's a lot of Waves users going like "Buy the original, use the crack". And there's a reason for that. I had massive problems with PACE back then when I've been - uhm yes... - testing for them. The development team constantly ignored any of those issues. Maybe now that Waves are back at the dongle the amount of problems is reduced, but from what you read on the net, it isn't.
- Dodgy VST implementation. The last time I looked at a bundle (I think it was Platinum 5.x) they were still using that waveshell thingy. Not only that the waveshell didn't work under certain hosts, no, they completely ignored it, most likely due to paranoia things could be cracked more easily.

However, let's assume for a moment Waves were a new company. NOBODY would buy their plugins at that price, especially along with the other wellknown issues. Really, nobody!
As has been mentioned in this thread, they just keep on relying on their pseudo "de facto" standard image.
No, I am in no way saying their plugins are shit, they actually are great. But still, without that "standard" quality thing they'd have a hard time to survive at all.

[kilroy]

For every Waves plugin there's a better and far cheaper alternative.

What's a better and far cheaper alternative to Ren de-esser?

Simply lowering volume of the offending "ess'es" in your audio editor. Bit more effort...results much more transparent and natural sounding.

[jens]

For every Waves plugin there's a better and far cheaper alternative.

What's a better and far cheaper alternative to Ren de-esser?

Simply lowering volume of the offending "ess'es" in your audio editor. Bit more effort...results much more transparent and natural sounding.

yep, imo that's the best way of doing it!

De-essers are relics from way back when it wasn't possible to simply edit the recorded audio-data on a huge coloured screen...


edit: typo

[chagzuki]

Yeah, see. I was right.

[Stairsteps]

You really dont know what a desser is for huh? You dont lower the volume and take care of a problem like that. The way the PRO ppl do it is by using a nylon pop screen DOH on the mike, or did you forget about that one lol, Now that I know you would recomend that a person edit the Sss by lowering there volume I know your not even in the ballpark on knowing what to do with that situation. Keep using cheap alternatives I have a few comercial recordings to finish up atm, for clients. but I wouldnt recomend taking care of someone's work with that cheap method. Use Waves desser instead, either the plain one or the Rdesser one you'll be glad you did and it will save you time and theres no way to do it by editing and keep it natural lol.

Oh and stop saying back in the day they didnt have dessers so they use to edit it which is wrong btw lol.
They used a nylon pop screen over the mike back in the old days and still use that to this day.

[chagzuki]

You can use a pair of tights to make a pop screen.

If you can't find a coathanger to make the frame, just put the tights over your head to cover your mouth.

[jens]

You really dont know what a desser is for huh? You dont lower the volume and take care of a problem like that. The way the PRO ppl do it is by using a nylon pop screen DOH on the mike, or did you forget about that one lol, Now that I know you would recomend that a person edit the Sss by lowering there volume I know your not even in the ballpark on knowing what to do with that situation. Keep using cheap alternatives I have a few comercial recordings to finish up atm, for clients. but I wouldnt recomend taking care of someone's work with that cheap method. Use Waves desser instead, either the plain one or the Rdesser one you'll be glad you did and it will save you time and theres no way to do it by editing and keep it natural lol.

Oh and stop saying back in the day they didnt have dessers so they use to edit it which is wrong btw lol.
They used a nylon pop screen over the mike back in the old days and still use that to this day.

you're a hell of a pro...

the windscreen can't prevent overly strong sybilants at all - it's to prevent too much breath (which will result in a popping noise (just like the name already gives away) and maybe even clipping) from p's and b's


here's mine b.t.w.:



oh little boy, all of your posts are so immensely stupid and still you're trying to act the big man...

[jens]

Oh and stop saying back in the day they didnt have dessers so they use to edit it which is wrong btw lol.

I didn't say that - I said the exact opposite of it - hell boy, you can't even read...

They used a nylon pop screen over the mike back in the old days and still use that to this day.

go learn the basics - then, let's say two years hence, you might be allowed to come back and maybe even chat a bit with the adults...