Are there any Live 5 users that also use, or have used, FL Studio? Are the workflows similar? Is it an easy transition? I won't need to use it in live situations.
The reason I ask is that, in reading the review, Live 5 seems like a more advanced/polished version of FLS.
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240 - KVRAF
- 37262 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from Scottish Borders
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
I'm a Live 5 user. I have demoed FL5, thinking it looks cool and could be useful.
There are some obvious differences. Also, there are some things FL can do that Live does not do (e.g. beatslicer, some of the instuments). But the overall approach has some real similarities too - i.e. pattern based sequencing.
I concluded that overall Live 5 is a much more advanced tool, and is far easier to use. It is particularly better for stuff such as audio recording, multitrack, etc.
Of course, FL is also a great program and is significantly cheaper, so gives better "bang-for-buck".
As others said, try the demo for Live 5 and let us know how you get on.
There are some obvious differences. Also, there are some things FL can do that Live does not do (e.g. beatslicer, some of the instuments). But the overall approach has some real similarities too - i.e. pattern based sequencing.
I concluded that overall Live 5 is a much more advanced tool, and is far easier to use. It is particularly better for stuff such as audio recording, multitrack, etc.
Of course, FL is also a great program and is significantly cheaper, so gives better "bang-for-buck".
As others said, try the demo for Live 5 and let us know how you get on.
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- KVRAF
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
I love the workflow in Live5, but don't really 'get it' in FL5. If that says anything. I don't think they are that similar. They definitely feel quite different to me.
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- KVRian
- 1161 posts since 24 Dec, 2004 from Adelaide, South Australia
It's clip based. I can see how they could be perceived as patterns. Different sides of the same coin really.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
It depends how you use it I guess. Since v4 when MIDI was added, and the Impulse drum sample instrument, sequencing a drum pattern in Live feels to me very similar to using the FL pattern.audiolife wrote:Since when Live is pattern based?headquest wrote:I'm a Live 5 user... - i.e. pattern based ...
I was mostly thinking of the compositional process in Live's Session View (which I would describe as pattern based rather than linear) as opposed to, for example, Cubase, Tracktion, etc, which do not follow a pattern paradigm. I did not mean that Live is a pattern sequencer in the strict sense that FL is though (I come from a classical background rather than a hardware sequencing one
)Live has the advantage of offering a fully linear environment too, of course, and personally I feel this is where FL falls down (particularly if you want to use audio at all).
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Doh - you explained what I meant in one sentence compared to my long waffleaudiobot202 wrote:It's clip based. I can see how they could be perceived as patterns. Different sides of the same coin really.
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- KVRAF
- 4878 posts since 13 Jun, 2002 from Montreal
I have both FLStudio and Live 5. I find that they differ greatly.
FLS for me is all about using the playlist to arrange individual sections -I compose parts in channels and arrange them in the playlist. There are an infinite number of ways to manipulate midi (I don't use audio in FLS although many users do slicing and dicing etc - I still am not comfortable manipulating audio in FLS even though it has had the capability for al long time now- I mainly use Sonar 4 for audio recording and Adobe Audition for editinga dn noise reduction.
Though I am very familiar with FLS having worked with it for nearly four year now, I find Live is extremely well organized and very flexible. I have done some limited "Live" mode production that I found very satisfying though I have only nicked the surface - for example I only just realized that in session view there is an audio scrub tool-I have no clue what it's good for. And I am just coming to grips with how Follow action works. Then there is this strange orange dot that appears is my clips from time to time that I can't find anything about in the manual
Anyway these are just a few examples of the 100s of aspects of Live I haven't yet mastered. Live is real treat for making music.
Check out the LIVE and FLS demos. Make sure that you give yourself enough time to appreciate how they work. One tip with FLS - the demo does not allow saving but you can export midi and audio files. So when experimenting with the demo and come to a point you want to keep your work in some form render to mp3 or wav and use the macro to convert all channels to midi out and render a midi file. A midi file created in this way is useful if you have created something good, you can get it back into FLS by just importing and copying the midi in tho the channels you used originally.
FLS for me is all about using the playlist to arrange individual sections -I compose parts in channels and arrange them in the playlist. There are an infinite number of ways to manipulate midi (I don't use audio in FLS although many users do slicing and dicing etc - I still am not comfortable manipulating audio in FLS even though it has had the capability for al long time now- I mainly use Sonar 4 for audio recording and Adobe Audition for editinga dn noise reduction.
Though I am very familiar with FLS having worked with it for nearly four year now, I find Live is extremely well organized and very flexible. I have done some limited "Live" mode production that I found very satisfying though I have only nicked the surface - for example I only just realized that in session view there is an audio scrub tool-I have no clue what it's good for. And I am just coming to grips with how Follow action works. Then there is this strange orange dot that appears is my clips from time to time that I can't find anything about in the manual
Anyway these are just a few examples of the 100s of aspects of Live I haven't yet mastered. Live is real treat for making music. Check out the LIVE and FLS demos. Make sure that you give yourself enough time to appreciate how they work. One tip with FLS - the demo does not allow saving but you can export midi and audio files. So when experimenting with the demo and come to a point you want to keep your work in some form render to mp3 or wav and use the macro to convert all channels to midi out and render a midi file. A midi file created in this way is useful if you have created something good, you can get it back into FLS by just importing and copying the midi in tho the channels you used originally.
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- KVRer
- 16 posts since 4 Aug, 2005
hm..another reason for me to check out Live.audiobot202 wrote:It's clip based. I can see how they could be perceived as patterns. Different sides of the same coin really.
2Beardedone: That orange dot, maybe it shows clipping?
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
You mean the "scrub" tool on a clip? It's useful when setting warp markers, etc.Beardedone wrote: I only just realized that in session view there is an audio scrub tool-I have no clue what it's good for.
Follow actions used to be very useful for having, for example, a drum roll that leads into a regular loop. You could put the roll in a clip placeholder and set follow actions to "next", with the main loop in the next placeholder down.And I am just coming to grips with how Follow action works.
As of Live 5 though, you can now do that within one clip... you can launch the clip with the roll but set loop markers within the clip properties to loop only the main section and ignore the first bar drum roll. Handy.
Can you explain that a bit? (If I know the answer I'll give itThen there is this strange orange dot that appears is my clips from time to time that I can't find anything about in the manual
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- KVRian
- 1161 posts since 24 Dec, 2004 from Adelaide, South Australia
Amazed I'm so concise at this time of the morning !!!headquest wrote:Doh - you explained what I meant in one sentence compared to my long waffleaudiobot202 wrote:It's clip based. I can see how they could be perceived as patterns. Different sides of the same coin really.
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- KVRist
- 152 posts since 23 Sep, 2003 from Oregon
Read the "Clip Offset and Nudging" section in the Live 5 manual... page 94.Beardedone wrote:Then there is this strange orange dot that appears is my clips from time to time that I can't find anything about in the manual
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- KVRist
- 152 posts since 23 Sep, 2003 from Oregon
I've used FL for a few years now, and I just bought Live 5. I don't have a lot of experience with Live yet, but I'm almost finished reading the manual in its entirety.Igor 4000 wrote:Are there any Live 5 users that also use, or have used, FL Studio?
Er, not really similar overall. There are of course some similarities. Live has a traditional linear-style sequencer (the Arrangement View) which is something FL doesn't really have. Live's Session View is something totally unique, designed for on-the-fly improvisational recording. Once you have a nice jam going in Session View, you can then record it into the Arrangement View for more detailed editing.Are the workflows similar?
It depends on how invested you are in FL, and how much you read manuals.Is it an easy transition?
Some things in Live are going to be better, some things worse, and that is going to be frustrating. There are going to be some things in Live that aren't obvious. Yes and no. Live is more advanced with audio recording. You have the ability to record stereo or mono tracks and the process of recording is tightly integrated and fun to use. Live has better audio effects. The overall concept of Live is a bit more polished, and the manual is very well written and very thorough.The reason I ask is that, in reading the review, Live 5 seems like a more advanced/polished version of FLS.
FL however has a more advanced interface I think. The GUI is much more responsive and has better mouse/keyboard shortcuts. FL's piano roll is better, and you have a lot more fun programming tools/tricks. FL has more "soft studio" features like integrated beat-slicing and more synths.
There are many, many minor differences I don't have time to touch upon. You really have to thoroughly experiment with demos and read manuals. If I had to give someone a nudge in one direction or the other, I'd say if you're more into manually programming beats and melodies, chopping, slicing, randomizing, arpeggiating, etc... start with FL. If you're more into recording audio and improvising, performing live, recording a band... start with Live. Keep in mind both apps are powerful and there's quite a bit of overlap.