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bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:10 am

bobbyblank wrote:you tune pianos for a living, daddy-o? sounds pretty 440 to me.

yes I do.
It is at A440, but has some very twangy out of tune unisons.

No name · Post by **No name** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:39 am

I have the realpiano soundfont. And he is right, it has a certain sound to it, and it is recorded nicely. I can't seem to find it either though, PM me and i'll send it to you.

meeks · Post by **meeks** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:52 am

Don't know what you mean technically by old, but artvista has the malmsjo (never could get the damn spelling right) that has,I believe, what is called a "strech tuning" that has something to do with the lower register. I wish I could tell you more but most of my stuff is in storage right now. oh well.

matt9b · Post by **matt9b** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:17 pm

Check out vintaudio's upright collection http://www.vintaudio.com/GUPC.htm .. they're very clean sounding. If you're looking for a live dark sound like the malmsjo, you'll probably like the Schimmel Upright Piano. Check out the demos http://www.stedeford.com/schimmelpiano.html (and yes I created it!). The schimmel is slightly out of tune, which adds to its realistic performance. But it's still beautiful. If you're looking a honky tonk, I came across one the other day.. If you're still looking, let me know and I'll see if I can dig out the link.

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:20 pm

bluedad wrote:
bobbyblank wrote:you tune pianos for a living, daddy-o? sounds pretty 440 to me.
yes I do.
It is at A440, but has some very twangy out of tune unisons.

It is way too damn honky tonk sounding for me, the 4front piano sounds like ass IMHO... Nothing against Yohng, tho his rhodes and bass vsts are pretty useable, and I guess that piano has the distinction of sounding unique...

advaya · Post by **advaya** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:26 pm

Has anyone mentioned Rain Piano yet? Might be the sound you are after...

EDIT:
Ghaaa! yep... already mentioned... I oughta start reading these from the start!

Rock · Post by **Rock** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:42 pm

You might want to use this tool to make the soundfont piano of your choice sound out of tune... http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... t=enhancer

bobbyblank · Post by **bobbyblank** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:14 pm

I finally got close to what I needed by using kontakt to screw with the Rain Piano one sample at a time. I also layered bits of PMI's Prepared Piano underneath it, creating some dead spots/muckytimbers/and knocky hammers. maybe you know what I'm talking about, 'co I sure don't. gonna try the soundfont enhancer, maybe it'll help.
I'd still pay good money for some semi-pro samples,though.
maybe kontakt experience will help me with some script-magic...the price looks worth it.

93143 · Post by **93143** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:12 pm

I've got access to an old Bell upright that's on average a semitone flat.

I've been planning to sample it, just because it's so bad. I don't have any gear upstream of my 1212m, so I'll have to rent - is an Avalon 737SP transparent enough for the job?

bobbyblank · Post by **bobbyblank** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:49 pm

I should think so, but avalon's AD2022 pre might be better suited for the piano's range. The 737SP would give it a great sense of presence, at the expense of missing some of those wonky harmonics and full bodied highs/lows. but, really, any nice pre will do the trick, in my opinion. I'm just excited that someone might actually do it! keep us posted, you've got my attention.

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:14 am

93143 wrote:I've got access to an old Bell upright that's on average a semitone flat.

I've been planning to sample it, just because it's so bad. I don't have any gear upstream of my 1212m, so I'll have to rent - is an Avalon 737SP transparent enough for the job?

y'all are crazy!

idobs · Post by **idobs** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:24 am

You should write a letter to PMI and ask them if you can get the samples that they THREW-AWAY when creating Bosendorfer 290.

Maybe there's demand for this?!

-Ido

robenestobenz · Post by **robenestobenz** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:35 am

Chase wrote:I love the 4front piano but it's tuned perfectly.

Yeah, 4front piano's great. Sounds terrible in so many ways, but in a distinctive (and to my ears, good) fashion. Strange harmonics, large timbre variations between certain notes (e.g. C#2-D2); yeah, it sounds pretty f**ked.

Oh, and it's especially good for me in the lower octaves, which are the main ones I use.

Max el Belga · Post by **Max el Belga** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:18 am

As an accoustic piano uses up to 3 strings together, I think the best thing to do is builing up a virtual piano (nearly) the same way (= up to 2 or 3 samples a note). Then detune some of them in a random manner. Let´s say : the same way a real piano sounds "old" or "out of tune". The world is crazy : when I do something as a luthier, people want to have their instrument sound and play perfect. But then when we´re making virtual instruments, we ad noises, clicks, etc. to make it more realistic ! (I´m doing it too !)... .. .
"Sometimes I wonder" (Confusius, or was it me ?)... .. .

93143 · Post by **93143** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:46 pm

I've only got two analog inputs, so I've basically got to either rent A/D gear and more microphones ($) or pick a stereo technique. I understand XY coincident is more popular than ORTF for recording pianos...?

I suppose I'll have to try both, but the final recording will almost certainly be in one or the other. I'm leaning towards coincident, because although it isn't as realistic in stereo, it has no phasing problems in mono, whereas ORTF has trouble starting at ~1kHz...

Does an 'old piano' sampleset exist??