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sudio · Post by **sudio** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:13 am

I am desperately looking for a freeware or low cost unison vst plugin.
Is there anything available?

Something like the unison in Propellerheads Reason?

Or can someone give me an advice how to make it in synthedit?

Thanks in advance!

jmh · Post by **jmh** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:00 am

There's Detunator - http://www.devilswhisper.com/ - but it's going thru updating right now.

Regards,

JMH

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:26 am

Yes,

Detunator is good. Jens, the author wrote that there will be a new version, I dunno when. Hopefully soon. This FX is really cool.
The only available alternative I know right now is mda detune. It's more limited (only two voices compared to eight) than Detunator but sounds cool too.

Best wishes, FRitz

;-) · Post by **;-)** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:43 pm

New version is online now.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:08 pm

I see the demo, but how would one purchase the deluxe version if one were so inclined?

;-) · Post by **;-)** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:22 pm

This information will be prepared currently.
The demo is not time limited and don't produce fadeouts or noise or other demo limitation effects.
So you can work with it and pay later. Private usage is completely free of charge.

sudio · Post by **sudio** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:02 am

Thanks a lot!

mda detune and detunator definately seem to be an option for me.

Although i would love to have something like the reason unison which has up to 16 voices. Is there really nothing comparable?

best wishes,
sudio

;-) · Post by **;-)** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:52 pm

Detunator has 8 voices maximum. That is quite allot (cauze in stereo it are 16 runnung pitch shifters then in fact). I doubt very much, that you ever need above 8 voices unisono.

Didn't you see the "unison" switch label? Click on it to increase the number circular.

Althought, it is really no problem to build 32 pitch shifters into it. But I have no idea, how the Reason Unison effect works (not using Reason), by the way ...

Maybe you could explain?

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grizzlyX · Post by **grizzlyX** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 8:23 pm

Detunator is too slow. 8 voices unison uses easily 10% of my xp2400.

Reason unison doesn't even use %1.

jmh · Post by **jmh** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 10:24 pm

Stick to Reason then.

JMH

;-) · Post by **;-)** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 11:12 pm

grizzlyX wrote:Detunator is too slow. 8 voices unison uses easily 10% of my xp2400.

Reason unison doesn't even use %1.

Well. That's really fine!

We will optimize it next. But probably never reach below 5% then. We could also for instance switch off the parameter smoothing and the internal saturating brickwall limiting device to get then below 5% ...

But we will not for some reasons. Quality reasons by the way. Because Detunator seems to be simple, but it isn't that simple as it seems internally ...

The devil knows, what they (Propellers) used to "fake" their unisono or what they use.

But one thing is very clear: Real unisono will not be possible with 1% processor power. And quality plus additional internal logic and parameters will always need more power ...

And for what do you need 10 instances of an unisono effect inside a song? Isn't 1 voice playing unisono at once fat enuff already?

Whatsoever, JMH is very right: Ask the makers of Reason to deliver you the desired VST effect, if you exactly want *that* effect. But I guess, they wouldn't do it for some "Reasons"

...

Sorry to see, that we couldn't help...
But hey! No unisono effect is better than our "slow" one.

Cheers.

;-) · Post by **;-)** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 11:47 pm

It was interesting to examine (and now I wanted to know it):
They write the following:

Unison is exactly what the name suggests; a software reincarnation of that mysterious "Unison" button on those early eighties synths. Transformed into a Reason rack unit. UN-16 Unison fattens up incoming sound by emulating the effect of 4, 8 or 16 detuned versions of the incoming sound playing the same note. In ultra-stereo. The result is rich and wide and slightly similar to a chorus effect, only much fancier.

Having a Unison effect in your rack gives you the option to apply its magic to more than just synthesizers: Feel free to widen your REX loops, fatten your samples or beef up your snare drums.

So I think, they use in fact any chorusing here, not a real "voice cloning" we use with Detunator. Therefore also the limited voice count assign (only 3 selectable modi). And for sure they don't use the massive internal tech we used inside Detunator.

The sound example on their website is also quite unspectacular - I cannot even hear any difference between a chorus and that: http://www.propellerheads.se/products/r ... off_on.mp3

So we probably speak about two completely different shoes here.

And of course we could make a multi stage chorus effect with only 1% performance usage ... but we would have problems to call it "unisono" then. We don't even call Detunator an "unisono" effect for some reasons. Because unisono is not an effect but a multiple process - merely (approximately) simulated with all that.

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grizzlyX · Post by **grizzlyX** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:16 am

Consider adding a draft mode that uses less cpu.

Looking for a unison vst effect plugin....