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Squids · Post by **Squids** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:00 pm

One per instance of course is better than one per part which is what us ST users are used to when it is a reverb on insert (which is why I often suggest using an external reverb plug-in globally in your host). But, this is nice to have this way.

BTW, you said SampleTank but you meant Philharmonik.

Joseph Burrell · Post by **Joseph Burrell** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:11 pm

Yes, I can see that one per instrument would be pretty significant. It does make working in instrument clusters nice since you can adjust the reverb for groups of instruments easily through the interface.

Its upsetting only because it sounds so good. I can see orders of that reverb shooting up shortly after people hear it in action in the Philharmonik.

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:26 pm

Joseph Burrell wrote:
Its upsetting only because it sounds so good. I can see orders of that reverb shooting up shortly after people hear it in action in the Philharmonik.

Actually, we got more orders for AmpliTube after people had a chance to play with some of its effects in ST2. These modules can in some ways be good tasters for IK's effects. Since it is closed just to the internal sounds and architecture if you want to run everything under the sun through those effects then you have the option to buy those effects from IK separately. But, what is nice is that for those on a budget who wanted that quality of sound but didn't have say $900 to get it at once now get a piece of it for no extra cost. That was an extra bonus we wanted to give to the users, especially those that liked the video demos I did where I had the sounds running through CSR at the trade show.

nexussynth · Post by **nexussynth** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:28 am

Squids wrote:
Joseph Burrell wrote:
Its upsetting only because it sounds so good. I can see orders of that reverb shooting up shortly after people hear it in action in the Philharmonik.
Actually, we got more orders for AmpliTube after people had a chance to play with some of its effects in ST2. These modules can in some ways be good tasters for IK's effects. Since it is closed just to the internal sounds and architecture if you want to run everything under the sun through those effects then you have the option to buy those effects from IK separately. But, what is nice is that for those on a budget who wanted that quality of sound but didn't have say $900 to get it at once now get a piece of it for no extra cost. That was an extra bonus we wanted to give to the users, especially those that liked the video demos I did where I had the sounds running through CSR at the trade show.

Thanks squids for the info and thanks to Joseph for his first impressions.

I have no doubt that it is superlative, I just wanted to know how it sounded all together in the Philharmonik!

Having reverb like this is so unique in an orchestral library. QLSO has it's release trails but really, it is not an ideal approach and consumes system resources as well. I think CSR will show others that it IS possible to have outstanding emotionally evocative reverb for your orchestra integerated into the plugin.

MOTU and NOTION are doing it in their products but really, convolution is not the best way, just as the sampled release trails are not ideal either. I like them but this is SO what I have been wanting in an orchestral product!!

Thanks squids for actually listening to your customers and including all these great features!!

Rellik · Post by **Rellik** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:16 am

Joseph Burrel: would you say that Philharmonik can create a "Hollywood" type of sound? I've heard from elsewhere that it can't, but I find this hard to believe - surely any library that has a reasonable ability to be aggressive has the capability to create at least a reasonable rendition of the "Hollywood" sound. What's your take on the matter, if you have the time to explain?

nexussynth · Post by **nexussynth** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:43 am

Rellik wrote:Joseph Burrel: would you say that Philharmonik can create a "Hollywood" type of sound? I've heard from elsewhere that it can't, but I find this hard to believe - surely any library that has a reasonable ability to be aggressive has the capability to create at least a reasonable rendition of the "Hollywood" sound. What's your take on the matter, if you have the time to explain?

I wouldn't speak for Joseph, but to my ears listening to the demos and my old Vitous samples, I would say it is Hollywood...Think John Williams or Howard Shore versus Jerry Goldsmith or Danny Elfman.

telebunke · Post by **telebunke** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:57 am

I think it has been done already, hasN't it? Talking about Hollyweird sound.

tele

MauroR · Post by **MauroR** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:18 am

I want it now.

telebunke · Post by **telebunke** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:07 pm

MauroR wrote:I want it now.

Man, you're one of the patient ones. Most people here want it yesterday.

tele

Joseph Burrell · Post by **Joseph Burrell** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:33 pm

Hollywood sound?

That is less a 'sound', per se, and more a technique. Can the Hollywood sound be attained using the Philharmonik? Yes. The french horns are every bit as epic as what you'd hear in a blockbuster movie trailer. The strings as aggressive. And so on.

Will your compositions magically attain a Hollywood sound just because you own the Philharmonik? Oh if it were that simple, but alas, no. Provided you have good scoring technique and a competent grasp of orchestration, the 'Holy Grail' of Hollywood sound, could just as easily be yours using Miro. But, no amount of high quality sounds will turn a mediocre performance into a great one.

telebunke · Post by **telebunke** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:31 pm

I thought Miro had this switch to change between
"Do it Mozart Style" and "Do it Hollywood style"

tele

Derek up North · Post by **Derek up North** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:46 pm

Joseph Burrell wrote:But, no amount of high quality sounds will turn a mediocre performance into a great one.

Bugger - I'd better cancel my order then

Regards,

Derek.

Frunobulax · Post by **Frunobulax** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:05 pm

Derek up North wrote:
Joseph Burrell wrote:But, no amount of high quality sounds will turn a mediocre performance into a great one.
Bugger - I'd better cancel my order then

But fortunately for me, they can at least turn a putrid performance into a mediocre one.

Well perhaps today some of us common folk will begin to receive our copies of Philharmonik. Mine is still probably a day or so away since I penuriously opted for the free shipping.

sirbellog · Post by **sirbellog** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:28 pm

Can anyone tell me what may be the average time for a "free ground shipping" to Europe ?
I'd really like to know how long i'll have to wait for Philharmonik to reach me

, but I never ordered from esoundz before, and don't know what is this "free ground" as compared to more familiar "global priority", or "air mail"... (just hope it's not the 4-to-6 weeks method !

Thanks everybody !

Rellik · Post by **Rellik** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:33 pm

Thanks for the info, nexus and Joseph Burrell.

Of course I realize that it doesn't do it for you - nothing does. I just wanted to know if it had the proper aggressive elements, and it sounds like it does

Even if the library is difficult to work with, it'll be nowhere near as difficult as what I'm used to having to do

and it doesn't sound like it's a difficult library at all! I can't wait for it to arrive

. Some of you (I don't know, maybe none of you) might know how I swore never to create an orchestral arrangement with free samples again... well, I broke that particular vow

if only Philharmonik could have been here a week ago

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