Modern Fuzz sound

[apakhira]

Hi
anyone know any plugin which can create modernfuzz sounds, like the "synthetic/electronic-sounding" sounds in 90s and 80s? i tried using HP filters over normal distortions but that didn't sound nice. Imay also want it 2 be a little muddy, but not 2 much.
And another thing, where shud i put an amp/cabinet sim plugin-b4 all the effects or after them?

[shamann]

anyone know any plugin which can create modernfuzz sounds, like the "synthetic/electronic-sounding" sounds in 90s and 80s?

Do you know of a well-known example of the sound that you're after?

And another thing, where shud i put an amp/cabinet sim plugin-b4 all the effects or after them?

The traditional guitarist setup had the amp last and the effects first. It depends though on the sound you're after, as you may want to run the whole mix through a phaser or low pass filter or something.

[shamann]

An example of a traditional effects to amp chain:

[apakhira]

Ok. i can't remember many but Pink Floyd's In The Flesh has it once:
towards the start, the along with the power chords, Gilmour plays a small simple lick up and down the Blues scale only once. That's the kind of Fuzz. (OK i know The Wall was released b4 1980s) I guess thats a normal fuzz sound but i can't seem 2 get a good fuzz plugin. i downloaded Fuzz+ but it wasn't recognized by my host(Chainer), i wonder why.

[shamann]

Wait a little while, a new version of Fuzz+ is coming soon. V1 requires some mcvc++ library that is hard to come by (from my experience of looking).

Any of the other specific fuzz effects I can remember all seem to have disappeared from the web (SH-1, Oxywaves, I think Steinberg used to have a free one). I can't even think of any free or shareware multi-distortion units with a specific fuzz algorithm in. There are lots of waveshapers mind you, so you could likely find something useful.

Most, if not all, of the big distortion/amp sim/guitar guy effects should have a fuzz stage (slayer, trash, that waves thing, amplitube, etc). But that seems overkill just for fuzz.

[apakhira]

Thanx. in the meantime cud u tell me any way 2 make a normal distortion plugin sound like fuzz? Preferrably it should be freeware.
And i remember another example of the sound i want.Its what the Distortion effect in the old Boss MultiFX Units like ME-8 and ME-10, which is more fuzz than distortion if u ask me(or maybe i am wrong-maybe i dont know what a fuzz is.oh what the hell, i want that sound). Ppl called them "too electronic/digital" and not like warm distortions. but they sound good 4 certain things.

[Rangtangtang]

Weber Vintage Sound Technology MASS 100 (with All Options):
The Weber MASS is an attenuator, which is a device that is connected to your tube amp head's output on one end, and to your speaker cabinet on the other end. You can then run your amp at a higher than normal output level, but limit the overall volume that comes from the speakers by tweaking the MASS. The Weber MASS speaker load incorporates a loudspeaker as the load. It is not a fan motor or inductors, capacitors, and resistors, it is an actual loudspeaker. With that, you get a dynamic load reacting with the output of the amplifier it is connected to. All of the complexity and variations in frequency response and impedance occur with the MASS since the speaker motor exhibits physical movement. Therefore, the MASS is just like connecting to a speaker, only the MASS is quiet. The MASS 100 with All Options can be used in situations requiring 2, 4, 8, or 16 ohms, and with guitar amps of up to 100 watts. Tone shaping networks are provided for DI and a continuously adjustable output is available to drive an external speaker. Because of the unique design of the MASS, the speaker may be disconnected entirely when the MASS volume control is set at minimum. This allows the MASS to serve as a dummy load for testing amps, DI-only use, etc. The speaker output signal follows the loudness curve described by Fletcher and Munson. This prevents the tone from becoming flat as you reduce the power to the speaker.

The MASS is a passive device, it does not require electrical power. It measures 7" wide by 9" deep by 4.5" high.

pedalGEEK carries the Weber MASS with ALL of the following available options included:

Tone Stack Bypass Switch: takes the output of the volume control that normally drives the DI Tone Stack and feeds the signal directly to the DI output

Impedance Selector Switch: changes the MASS between all four (2, 4, 8, 16) common impedances

Treble Boost Switch: provides a 3db per octave boost above 2Khz to the speaker output signal

MASS Bypass Switch: bypasses the MASS electronics and connects the output jack directly to the input jack. The signal sample to the DI is left connected for proper DI operation

Extra Output Jack: allows you to connect the output of the MASS to two cabinets

[shamann]

Weber Vintage Sound Technology MASS 100 (with All Options)

What the hell does this have to do with fuzz? I saw you were on a pedal picture posting spree earlier, did you post this in the wrong thread per chance?

[donkey tugger]

http://www.x-buz.com/products.html

At the bottom of the page, the plug-in pack includes 'buz' and 'octbuz', both nice fuzz pluggies.

[doogs]

Weber Vintage Sound Technology MASS 100 (with All Options)

What the hell does this have to do with fuzz? I saw you were on a pedal picture posting spree earlier, did you post this in the wrong thread per chance?

Wrong thread? He posts pedal pictures in every thread! ?!


I'd try the simanalog suite tube screamer and then some drastic EQ. I'd try more of a "telephone-vox" type eq rather than a High Pass.

Logically you would place the cabinet simulator after the effects although a lot of multi-fx processors place it after distortion and before chorus and delay/reverb.

[shamann]

Wrong thread? He posts pedal pictures in every thread! ?!

Wouldn't a fuzz pedal have been more appropriate? Maybe I'm missing something, although maybe this had something to with the signal path question?

Agreed, tube screamer is a cool distortion, but it doesn't quite sound like a fuzz effect. I've used some waveshaping formulas that come semi-close. Reading about the old fuzzface pedal, it worked by doing asymmetrical clipping, so would do hardclipping on the positive phase and soft compression on the negative phase.

Any VST waveshapers that have independent controls for +/- phase of the waveform? The waveshaper in Synthedit does, but it isn't oversampled.

[apakhira]

cud u guys help me use Cyanide 2? Like what do the horizontal and vertcal axes in its graph do, and how does it affect sound? and i cannot get good distortio out of the plugin unless i use an amp sim or a distortion plugin after that. is that normal?

thanx.

[shamann]

Cyanide 2 is a wave shaper. What the black curve in the red window represents is a gain response curve per quarter of a wavecycle. So each quarter of a wavecycle from the incoming audio essentially has its volume pushed and pulled to meet that curve, which is the same function as clipping. Distortion is the augmentation of latent harmonic content, so clipping/shaping will alter the edges of a waveform to increase/decrease harmonic content.

In Cyanide2, a straight 45 degree angle means that the wave shape does not change, the Y axis is gain, the X axis is time. The white waveform in the preview pane is the waveform response curve that will result as you alter the black curve in the main window. Click anywhere in the main pane and a new curve point will be added.

Hope that helps,
Steve

[Har]

Cyanide2 is definitely one of my faves for good ol' fashioned raw, speakers-ripped-to-hell fuzz.