Imagine that you have two arrangements:
i) with two audio tracks (A and B) and one MIDI track with any VSTi
ii) with one audio track only (C) and one MIDI track with a different VSTi.
and the Mixer is in "Show All" mode
When you are viewing the first arrangement, the Mixer shows the two audio tracks (A and B) and both VSTis
When you are viewing the second arrangement, the Mixer shows its audio track (C) and both VSTis
So "Show All" does not seem to be working quite correctly:
a) either it should mean "Show All in current Arrangement", in which case only one of the 2 VSTis would be shown,
b) or it should mean "Show absolutely everything", in which case all three audio tracks would be shown.
On reflection, I think that the Mixer should show things for the current Arrangement only, that is, working as in a) above. So, only the VSTi used in the arrangement would be displayed.
Any comments?
BR - Mixer "Show All" shows too much
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- KVRAF
- 5350 posts since 8 Aug, 2003 from Berlin Germany
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- KVRian
- 693 posts since 21 Oct, 2003 from Madrid
Me too!
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- KVRAF
- 3475 posts since 6 Oct, 2001 from europe-norway-oslo
yes, it should show all audio tracks. will do
jorgen
jorgen
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- KVRAF
- 5350 posts since 8 Aug, 2003 from Berlin Germany
I've also been wanting to only autoshow components that are related to a track in the sequencer (like it did before it went to the main mixer).
But I can't think of how it would work in the main window. Perhaps from the main window it would behave as it does now.
But I can't think of how it would work in the main window. Perhaps from the main window it would behave as it does now.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 10366 posts since 2 Sep, 2003 from Surrey, UK
OK, now (07 Oct beta) when "Show All" is selected in the Mixer, the audio items in all the Arrangements are shown.
Perhaps it is just me, but I still think it would be better if:
- when the Arrange Mode is "Single", the audio items for the current Arrangement ONLY are shown (after all only the current Arrangement can (or rather, should) be played)
- when the Arrange Mode is "Multi" or "Live", the audio items for all the Arrangements are shown.
Or, for even more flexiblity, there could be a "Show Arr" choice in the Mixer drop-down list to show the current Arrangement only.
What do you think?
FR (repeat): can the selectors at the top of the Mixer be locked in place when the Mixer is scrolled
Perhaps it is just me, but I still think it would be better if:
- when the Arrange Mode is "Single", the audio items for the current Arrangement ONLY are shown (after all only the current Arrangement can (or rather, should) be played)
- when the Arrange Mode is "Multi" or "Live", the audio items for all the Arrangements are shown.
Or, for even more flexiblity, there could be a "Show Arr" choice in the Mixer drop-down list to show the current Arrangement only.
What do you think?
FR (repeat): can the selectors at the top of the Mixer be locked in place when the Mixer is scrolled
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 10366 posts since 2 Sep, 2003 from Surrey, UK
SSturgeon wrote:7-10 beta seems to be doing that here. Arr. A has 3 audio tracks arr. B has 1. Switching between A and B adds or removes the audio tracks from the mixer.
s
You're right -I should have been a bit clearer.
The audio tracks come and go as you would expect. Its the VSTis that stay on view in the Mixer. If you add a different VSTi to each Arrangement, then both VSTis appear in the Mixer no matter which arrangement you select.
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- KVRAF
- 2938 posts since 18 Jul, 2005
Confirmed - both as a bug and as an illogical annoyance.
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- KVRAF
- 3475 posts since 6 Oct, 2001 from europe-norway-oslo
Its not a bug, its how it is supposed to work.
There is a difference between an audio track and a midi track routed to a VSTi. An audio track is embeded into a arrangement. A VSTi is embeded into a sequecner and can be shared by many arrangements.
jorgen
There is a difference between an audio track and a midi track routed to a VSTi. An audio track is embeded into a arrangement. A VSTi is embeded into a sequecner and can be shared by many arrangements.
jorgen
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- KVRAF
- 1617 posts since 19 Mar, 2002 from Victoria, BC
I was just thinking that too, but maybe the mixer could hide VSTs that aren't being used by the current arrangement? The VST would still be selectable as an output for midi/envelope tracks, but it wouldn't show up in the mixer unless some track in the current arrangement made use of it. (This is all in single arrangement mode of course)
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- KVRAF
- 5350 posts since 8 Aug, 2003 from Berlin Germany
Jorgen-
I can see why you did this. But to me it seems to me to be an inconsistency. Why wouldn't audio tracks (with all their inserts and sends) want to be shared as well between arrangements. Should there be a way to choose the audio path (which to me is almost like an instrument) between arrangements? OR conversely, Instrumenet's inserts are reset for each arrangement, just like audio channels (but keep them for variations).
In this model, the effect chains are shared among variations and only the instruments are shared among arrangements. "Show" would only show an effect (or instrument) that is in an active path.
I can see why you did this. But to me it seems to me to be an inconsistency. Why wouldn't audio tracks (with all their inserts and sends) want to be shared as well between arrangements. Should there be a way to choose the audio path (which to me is almost like an instrument) between arrangements? OR conversely, Instrumenet's inserts are reset for each arrangement, just like audio channels (but keep them for variations).
In this model, the effect chains are shared among variations and only the instruments are shared among arrangements. "Show" would only show an effect (or instrument) that is in an active path.
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- KVRAF
- 5350 posts since 8 Aug, 2003 from Berlin Germany
Jorgen-
Ideally I'd like to have a set of effects allocated to a "channel" in a chain, and then I'd like to send audio tracks or a VST's output to any effect (or effects) in the chain with parameters for level and pan to that effect. Also I'd like to be able to insert a send at any point on the chain and use it to send to any other effect in any chain. Dragging and dropping effects between chains would make it perfect!
In this model, the effect chains are shared among variations and only the instruments are shared among arrangements. "Show" would only show an effect (or instrument) that is in an active path.
Traditionalists could just assign tracks/instruments to a channel (instead of an effect) and the modularity/flexibility would be transparent (and unused). They wouldn't feel a difference.
Ideally I'd like to have a set of effects allocated to a "channel" in a chain, and then I'd like to send audio tracks or a VST's output to any effect (or effects) in the chain with parameters for level and pan to that effect. Also I'd like to be able to insert a send at any point on the chain and use it to send to any other effect in any chain. Dragging and dropping effects between chains would make it perfect!
In this model, the effect chains are shared among variations and only the instruments are shared among arrangements. "Show" would only show an effect (or instrument) that is in an active path.
Traditionalists could just assign tracks/instruments to a channel (instead of an effect) and the modularity/flexibility would be transparent (and unused). They wouldn't feel a difference.