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rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 6:02 am

hey anyone know how i can get a siamese dream guitar sound on my newly purchased izotope trash?

yknow what i mean?

RonC

Funkybot · Post by **Funkybot** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:01 pm

Is there a fuzz box? If I'm not mistaken the Electro Harmonix Big Muff was all over that album. At least for the really distorted tones. I know I can get that sound with my Guitarport fairly quickly but I don't own Trash.

DWb · Post by **DWb** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:05 pm

Apparently they used the Electro Harmonix Small Stone phaser so much that they gaffer taped it to the guitar... not sure if that's what you're after though.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:06 pm

It's Big Muff out the yin yang. I'd go to your beloved (and deservedly so, not being sarcastic!) Buzz Room site and download Buz and OctaBuz to chain up in front of Trash. I know that Trash is capable of doing it on its own, but if you already have a relatively good preset in Trash that you want to use, throw the fuzz in front of it and give'er.

Computer Music 90 is going to have a fuzz plug-in, too, according to the back of the magazine.

Greg

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:08 pm

already have those

hmmm...

RonC

digitaldoom · Post by **digitaldoom** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:08 am

Just get one of these:

http://instruments.search.ebay.com/big- ... sacatZ3858

Try recording with just the Big Muff panned hard left and then the Big Muff running through Trash hard right.

(or vise versa)

Just an idea . . .

Frippertronix · Post by **Frippertronix** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:17 am

rpc9943 wrote:already have those hmmm...

RonC

What kind of amp does Corgan use? Try to get something close to his amp in the second "trash model" (since you can have two in series), then throw the Big Muff model in front and experiment with box models until you get it.

Someone also makes a good Small Stone VSTi, but I can't remember who. It's in the database.

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:12 am

is there a big muff model in trash?

if so, where the hell is it

RonC

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:20 am

I think he meant, use the most similar Billy Corgan amp, and the Buz.

Greg

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:26 am

oh sorry

yeah ill try something sometime

thanks everyone

RonC

psychopractor · Post by **psychopractor** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:25 pm

To get that tone you need to run a Big Muff into a pushed Marshall stack. I forgot exactly which model but try out that free JCM900(?) vst. I got passable results in the real world with a big muff into a tech21 sansamp on the British setting

seamoss · Post by **seamoss** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:31 pm

first things first....

stay away from all amp sims!

you have to plug into a big muff and a real amp.

don't think they used any amp sims on that album

psychopractor · Post by **psychopractor** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:34 pm

okay some more info:

"In the studio Billy uses a Marshall MK II 100-watt head and live he uses two Mesa Strategy 500 power amps including the two Marshall 4 X 12 cabinates. Corgans sound originates from a 1984 JCM Marshall head with KT-88 tubes. Corgans trick is to plug into the low input of the head and turn the post gain all the way up, using the pre-amp gain as the master volume. All other settings are pretty much up."

"Billy is a huge fan of KT-88's which he uses in his Marshall. The Gish/Siamese Dream guitar sound has a lot to do with KT-88's which add a round, fat bottom to his sound."

I would also point out that Kt-88's have more headroom than EL34's which would result in less power amp distortion - a more defined sound. I think Zak Wylde does a similar thing. But keep in mind he had the power section open wide and was controlling volume from the preamp section so I would say the amp wouldn't be distorting the signal as much as you would think. Maybe a big muff into a JC-120 would do the trick?

psychopractor · Post by **psychopractor** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:43 pm

JCM 900 vst + sd-1 and ds-1 overdrive/distortion clones:

http://www.simulanalog.org/GSuite.zip

a nice suite of pedal clones including a fuzz and octave fuzz:

http://www5c.biglobe.ne.jp/%7Ebuzzroom/ ... oldvst.zip

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:47 pm

seamoss wrote:first things first....

stay away from all amp sims!

you have to plug into a big muff and a real amp.

don't think they used any amp sims on that album

Got some spare money to send me/us?

How about the right environment and mics while you're at it?

Didn't think so. Back to the sims!

smashing pumpkins siamese dream sound on trash?