Best reverb for CPU overhead vs. quality balance?

[dlt123]

Then the fact that I have a life outside of KvR must be the reason that I missed so many of these "best reverb" threads.

No, it just means that you don't know how to use the forum search properly.

I'm really grateful that I discovered MagRev through this thread. Did you try it?

Yeah, I tried it... it sucks ass.

Who cares how many times a thread is started or asked. Every time I read one, something else crops up new or reminds me that I need to check out one I've heard about in the past.

Sorry, but anyone saying someone's hard work "sucks ass" is NOT worth taking advice from or worth listening to.

"Anyone" can destroy, but can you build?

DennisT

[flex42]

Check Johns link, i think he is building destroyers!

[John Vulich]

Sorry, but anyone saying someone's hard work "sucks ass" is NOT worth taking advice from or worth listening to.

"Anyone" can destroy, but can you build?

Sorry, but the reverb that was mentioned was bad. Am I supposed to endorse it merely because "hard work" was expended in it's creation? Why don't you download that reverb and tell everybody what you think? I'd be very interested to hear what you think of it. You seem very comfortable making opinionated comments about my character but apparently I'm not allowed, by your standards, to be opinionated myself.

Maybe you didn't notice, but after my grumpy little tirade, on the appearance of yet another reverb thread, I did add a few constructive comments to the discussion.

As for my creative abilities, I am very well accomplished in my chosen field... so yes I think I am capable of being creative.

[parma]

I never see this one mentioned - the R66 Reverb

I think it sounds top-notch and is easy on the CPU.

It's not as sexy as some of the other verbs but it gets the job done

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1715.html

[dlt123]

Sorry, but anyone saying someone's hard work "sucks ass" is NOT worth taking advice from or worth listening to.

"Anyone" can destroy, but can you build?

Sorry, but the reverb that was mentioned was bad. Am I supposed to endorse it merely because "hard work" was expended in it's creation? Why don't you download that reverb and tell everybody what you think? I'd be very interested to hear what you think of it. You seem very comfortable making opinionated comments about my character but apparently I'm not allowed, by your standards, to be opinionated myself.

Maybe you didn't notice, but after my grumpy little tirade, on the appearance of yet another reverb thread, I did add a few constructive comments to the discussion.

As for my creative abilities, I am very well accomplished in my chosen field... so yes I think I am capable of being creative.

As we all know, opinions are subjective. I like to hear what others think about synths, effects, etc.; what I don't appreciate is a statement like yours.

No one is expected to endorse anything based on "hard work", but I would hope that opinions, good or bad, would be done with more maturaty and respect than your statement and statements of others I've seen on this board.

In my book, remarks like that says more about the person stating it than the person their flogging. When I hear someone making statements like that, I totally disregard their views in posts I see in the future.

You may have talents, and I don't question that, but I hope others give you more respect than you gave the developer you slammed. After all, when you slam a product, you're slamming the developer.

Just my subjective opinion. Not trying to do you harm, just tired of all the "Crap", "Shit xxx", etc. I see on alot of posts here.

Moving on and wishing you the best.

BTW: Nice website.

DennisT

[fritzman]

Sorry, but the reverb that was mentioned was bad.
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Hi John,

I think people with a strong opinion sometimes have a hard time being polite and nice with their strong opinions. I'm in that boat, too.
Some people seem to have it easier to receive a constructive advice from my if my opinion isn't stated like: "Freeverb is useless and MagVerb is cool."
Even though this is true for me this is the oposite of your experience, obviously.

As for my creative abilities, I am very well accomplished in my chosen field... so yes I think I am capable of being creative.

Is there a chance that I could hear your music somewhere from the net? People with strong opinions often make interesting music.


Best wishes, FRitz

[pHz]

fritz ... not music ... but click the www link under johns name if you havent already ... youll see how creative he is there ...

slainte rob

[diverdee]

Damn I didn't realise John did that kind of work - Babylon 5 as well.
Major props mate, major, major respect indeed.

[fritzman]

fritz ... not music ... but click the www link under johns name if you havent already ... youll see how creative he is there ...

slainte rob

Thanx Rob,

yes I checked John's page. He's very creative in my eyes. Well done page but as you said, I found no music.

And to make that sure: I respect John for his good comments in various threads in the past and he's one of the guys I often look for what he has to say.


Best wishes, FRitz

[sambean]

You're all entitled to your own opinions regarding the reverb, I don't really care about that, It was just a personal project that I decided to test the water with..

Generally the response has been good, some people having said that they have used it in their own material and I'm pleased because of this, who can complain after all it's free!

What I don't like is it being used justifiying personal attacks in all the bickering that goes on in here..

So if you don't like it say so, and if you can be bothered say why, but leave it at that.. I'm not making any claims here..

Sam

btw.. I always rated Bablylon 5's FX second only to Doctor Who's

[greendoor]

I have no idea what planet John V is from. I can't see anything positive in his recent threads, so anything he says about reverb is worthless and possibly intentionally misleading.

I am absolutely stoked to find MagRev and Magolov Verb (the GUI-less version) which I prefer. I know reverb is very subjective, and very source-dependant, but anyone with ears should be able to tell that this is a rare find. It's very high CPU use, but I go for sound quality over CPU efficiancy anyday. I consider this can be tweaked to sound smoother than Magnus Ambiance or AAR - which is saying something. It's a bright, strong reverb so it's not a total solution for everything, but it can do anything from very small rooms to large cathedrals, which makes it more versatile than many other reverbs. Don't miss out on this one just because of some ranting from a negative person.

[John Vulich]

btw.. I always rated Bablylon 5's FX second only to Doctor Who's

Well, I was only in charge of the Make-up FX and not the Visual FX. For the first season I recieved an Emmy award, one of 3 that I have recieved, for our work. Sorry that you don't like my work but, to be quite frank, I respect the opinions of my peers far more than yours.

I regret if I've hurt your feelings about the reverb. I can get a bit cranky at times. It kind of surprises me that people can take such comments seriously on the Internet. I guess that, by now, I should know better. Anyway, I'll try and be a bit more careful about my comments. I tend to forget that a lot of sensitive developers hang out around here.

[John Vulich]

I have no idea what planet John V is from. I can't see anything positive in his recent threads, so anything he says about reverb is worthless and possibly intentionally misleading.

Why in the f**k would I be motivated to "intentionally mislead"? That's absurd! I made several comments, in this very thread, about the reverbs that I like and why I like them. I believe that I was pretty clear about it and I'm not sure what aspect of my comments would be interpreted as "misleading". As you yourself commented, choice of reverb is a very subjective thing. I agree and made some very similar observations.

[HanafiH]

Threads on reverb are a bit like cigarettes when you're tripping: every one has it's own particular aura.

[greendoor]

Reverbs are obviously subjective, and highly dependant on the source material. JohnV - I have strong opinions and you have strong opinions. Probably we will never agree. But sometimes i've found that I can go back to a reverb (or whatever) that i've previously discounted as crap, and find that actually it is perfect for certain uses.

You say you are into Ambiant music, where the reverb is very exposed and almost an instrument in itself. While not my prime interest, I can relate to those types of reverb. You say you like Freeverb - is that the Sinus Freeverb2? Sounds like filtered white noise to me - maybe I should try it again.

Seriously - have another look at Magalov reverb, because I think it is perfect for huge ambiant reverbs. Try with maximum high end damping, the largest room size and control the length with total damping. I got an amazing lush ambiant reverb by combining Kjaerhus Classic reverb with Magalov reverb. I used the Classic with maximum high end damping to get a smooth dark tail, and combined that with the Magalov for the high's - a bit of pre-day on the Magalov and it sounded richer than a huge Lexicon.

Something I look for in a VST reverb is good mono-compatability. Huge stereo tails are useless if they sound like crap on an AM radio. If you have PSP Easyverb for example - try mono'ing that. It doesn't have a width control, so you will have to use a mono plugin or stereo panner. I think you will find that the Hall is about the only algorithmn that doesn't sound wrong in mono. Magalov sounds smooth in stereo or mono - it has a width control that makes this easy to check.