KVR Audio

MySTiK · Post by **MySTiK** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:13 pm

stfu and make some moosic

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:19 pm

MySTiK wrote:stfu and make some moosic

What have you got against cows?

Cryogenic · Post by **Cryogenic** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:51 pm

egbert wrote: Not exactly a challenge for the long distance psychoanalyst is he.

Cry-Baby - why don't you get one of those inflatable clown things with the weighted hemispherical base? You can take out your frustrations in the privacy of your own room and people all over the world will have no idea that you are a cnut.

Yeah yeah!! lol lol rotfl!!!!one

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:56 pm

Crybaby wrote:
egbert wrote: Not exactly a challenge for the long distance psychoanalyst is he.

Cry-Baby - why don't you get one of those inflatable clown things with the weighted hemispherical base? You can take out your frustrations in the privacy of your own room and people all over the world will have no idea that you are a cnut.
Yeah yeah!! lol lol rotfl!!!!one

Whew! That showed him. That must be what you meant by...

Crybaby wrote: But keep coming if you want, you wont win.

I have to say, faced with that keen a wit, we're all in trouble.

stag · Post by **stag** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:00 pm

Sascha Franck wrote:What the hell would this have to do with background rendering?

IMO it has all to do with the export function, solo a track export master bus, i get the track without sends, import it and assign sends to final tweaks, as they consume as much resources assigned to one track or a hundred.
Export selecting the track bus, well then i got sends and inserts, could be usefull if one wants to port to other audio app, such as a Wavelab montage,or store them and be able to open them on another app 10 years from now.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:50 pm

stag, what does all that have to do with the strange/buggy solo-behaviour?
Nothing!

stag · Post by **stag** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:41 pm

If you say so. imo is working okay.not likely its competitors, but i´m too dumb to use them anyway.

HanafiH · Post by **HanafiH** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 5:05 pm

nuffink wrote:
Cryogenic in a pm wrote:Who the hell are you supposed to be again?

Cryogenicin another pm wrote:No, that thread doesn't need more of your bullshit, or OT posts.

"pm abuse", now thats a good one.
Like I said c**t, if you want to have a pop, use the forum.

Aaaah, the great smell of Cubase users.

mojkarma · Post by **mojkarma** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:36 am

While this is a ranting topic let me add my two cents.

When I solo or mute something in the mixer, the channel get's soloed/muted. The strange thing is, that the tracks doesn't reflect this in the arrange view. You are soloing one or five tracks in the (audio)mixer but you will not see that change in the arrange view. The same is true for muting.

Oh yes, I'm talking about Logic (pro 7) and the function of its limited mixers, so I guess that Sascha would be the competent person to answer this.

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:56 am

mojkarma wrote: When I solo or mute something in the mixer, the channel get's soloed/muted. The strange thing is, that the tracks doesn't reflect this in the arrange view. You are soloing one or five tracks in the (audio)mixer but you will not see that change in the arrange view. The same is true for muting.

Oh yes, I'm talking about Logic .

In Logic, muting in the arrange page is different from muting in the mixer.

If you mute an audio track in the arrange you stop that audio stream from happening. Muting in the mixer merely stops that audio stream which is actually running (and putting a load on any active insert plugins) from reaching the output bus - it is still playing and it can be switched back on instantly by unmuting.

Same with midi - if you have a midi track driving a VSTi or Logic synth then muting in the arrange means that the VSTi does no work and doesn't load the CPU. Muting an output of that VSTi in the Mixer merely stops the sound but the CPU load of the synth is still incurred.

mojkarma · Post by **mojkarma** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:15 am

If you mute an audio track in the arrange you stop that audio stream from happening. Muting in the mixer merely stops that audio stream which is actually running (and putting a load on any active insert plugins) from reaching the output bus - it is still playing and it can be switched back on instantly by unmuting.

Yes, I thought that you actually interrupt the signal on different places, but what's the point? To unload it from a plug-in? It would be easier to activate bypass or to freeze the track.

However, your answer doesn't explain the differences of activating solo on different places.

Actually, I'm a little upset, whenever Sascha jumps in, explaining how braindead the designers of Cubase are. I can agree with a lot of his points about not so good implemented features, but a lot is also true for Logic (and he talks about logic with a more than blind passion)
So, I could rant in the same (useless) way about the mixer in logic (which is just confusing people, and I'm not a beginner anymore), not to name that programming drums in logic (midi) is a nightmare - any entrylevel sequencer can do that better.

efluon · Post by **efluon** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:44 am

mojkarma · Post by **mojkarma** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:52 am

efluon wrote:

Unfortunately a lot of people take a discussion very personally. If you have a question, just ask. Let me help you.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:20 am

No, I have allways been the first to point out Logic flaws (in case you're interested, do a search on Yahoo's Logic Users Group for my name). But it doesn't make much sense anymore for the PC version as it's a dead product, something SX isn't.

However, as far as muting goes, I have to admit that sometimes the Logic approach *might* get in your way - for instance, there's no keycommand for the mixer based mute/solo functions, unless you're using the trackmixer (which I never do), you may also end up with a track not playing because you simply don't realize it's muted in the "other place", but in general the solo/mute functions are working pretty flawless, and they certainly don't cause highly illogical behaviour such as the Cubase equivalents, which are partially rendering screensets useless (I'll elaborate on that later on, it seems to be so much f**ked up it's hard to believe).

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:34 am

mojkarma wrote: However, your answer doesn't explain the differences of activating solo on different places.

Solo simply means "mute everything else" so if you solo in the arrange you are muting all tracks besides the selected one.

The other thing is that in Logic you can have 10 different takes of a vocal or instrumental solo all routed to the same audio object (ie 10 arrange tracks all routed to one mixer audio object). You can mute 9 of them in the arrange and have the remaining one sounding. So there is not a one to one correspondence between arrange and mixer objects.

[RANT] Solo function in Cubase SX