Cubase fans 3.1 full details...worth it?

[Sascha Franck]

No new "knick-knacks", but better bundled software. Logic has the Space Designer (even if it's just a demo)

A demo?
It's fully functional. There's no demo plugin versions anymore since LogicPro 6.

However, I slightly disagree. Personally I don't want new plugins but the program to work as one would expect. This includes fixing bugs, (re-)implementing features (such as audio to MIDI) and finally paying attention to the various GUI issues.

[Compyfox]

Not to mention paying attention to the users (and actually helping them, not acting like "oh sorry... I'm not in the mood to answer you atm").

Still... Cubase could use better plugins. I don't even use one single VST "tool" from them anymore. Not even the bundled VSTi's (or the external ones, except Halion - which is a world for itself).

[cron]

I thought you actually meant Cubase 3.1. I was about to chirp in and say the earliest I'd used was version 3.6. Thought you'd got yourself a peanuts deal on it or something.

[bduffy]

Not to mention paying attention to the users (and actually helping them, not acting like "oh sorry... I'm not in the mood to answer you atm").

Still... Cubase could use better plugins. I don't even use one single VST "tool" from them anymore. Not even the bundled VSTi's (or the external ones, except Halion - which is a world for itself).

Hmmm...that's funny because I've been discovering some of the stock Steinberg stuff to be increasingly useful:

SPL De-Esser is incredible, I can't believe I had ignored it for so long! I use it instead of the Waves de-esser when possible.

Puncher is a very useful compressor with analog-style soft-clipping, esp for drums. PeakMaster is excellent at transparent brickwall-limiting. I've been getting some good results from the Mulitband Compressor too.

The Steinberg Vocoder is one of the best-sounding out there, and QuadraFuzz is aboslutely indespensable for driving kickdrums and basses; there's nothing like it. Oh yeah - Magneto is useful for warming things up too!

And I think the VSTi's are very useful and good-sounding. Let's not forget they're designed by Waldorf! StepFilter and Tonic can be useful too.

The Reverbs stink, although that new, modified-Ambience one is great.

Anyway, just wanted to say that I changed my mind after hearing that some professionals turn to these older plug-ins (I know a mastering guy who swears by Puncher) and trying them out myself. I think since they're all free, Steinberg makes a good effort, anyway.

That isn't true for their service though.

[HouseMusicMan]

My old Emagic Logic Audio 5.5 has better synths and effects that Cubase SX 3,4,5,6,7,8

[bduffy]

My old Emagic Logic Audio 5.5 has better synths and effects that Cubase SX 3,4,5,6,7,8

How's Windows98 workin' for ya?

[Eytan Mich]

And how's workin' without PDC, time streach, recycle, 32bit float, etc, etc (etc x 5.5) ?

[Sascha Franck]

And how's workin' without PDC, time streach, recycle, 32bit float, etc, etc (etc x 5.5) ?

Just wonderful!
How's working without proper quantizing?

[GypsyJazz]

Personally, I'd really like to see a better channel EQ, since the included one is terrible.

Aaaaah that's a shame!
The EQ in SONAR rocks!

[christianmusicmaker]

well where is the cubase update , its supposed to be released in august ? , they are cutting it fine.....

Not anymore
http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=24704

[Sascha Franck]

Guess it'll take a few hours (at best) until their FTP is being available again.

[christianmusicmaker]

What is going on here...?

They are still locking threads?

http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=6

[bduffy]

Wow, they locked the living hell out of that subject!

Of course, I hate not being able to read another "3.1 WHEN?" thread...

[cold c]

SX/SL 3.1 BUGFIXES

The following problems have been fixed in Cubase SX/SL version 3.1:

• "Open Default Project" on startup from Preferences\General has no function.
• "Can Hide" as well as narrow/wide status of channels are not correctly recalled after opening a project (this has been fixed for projects made with version 3.x).
• "Enable Auto Select" setting was not saved for Mackie Control device setup.
• If the function Pool/"Remove unused Media" is involved in a Macro, it may work unreliably.
• "Keep Notes in Range" option was broken in Transpose dialogue.
• OMF: The handle-length for events is not stored into OMF-File when "Export All to one File" and "consolidate events" option is enabled in the OMF-Export menu.
• Using "Control-Click" for the Insert-Bypass-Button of Track- Controls to list the used plug-ins will lead to crash when two projects are open and you toggle between the two projects.
• Input VU meter doesn't work on mono tracks when more than one track records from the same input bus.
• ASIO-Delay-Compensation doesn’t work with some Audio Interfaces. Concerned are as far as we know ECHO Layla and Soundscape Mixtreme. Side effect: MIDI and Audio run out of Sync.
• Assigning and recording more than one input bus to several audio tracks does not work. Signal will only be recorded to one track.
• Insert a new key sig or new clef somewhere in the middle of a page. 2) Add another new key sig/clef at the beginning of the next page. = doesn't work as it should.
• A crash could happen in Score Editor after inserting Key Signatures.
• An issue was fixed when modifying plug-in settings in Offline Process.
• Arpache SX can produce hanging notes, when a recorded session is played back.
• Audio part editor: The mute tool does not work if the range tool has been used before.
• Building N-Tuplets in Score Editor could led to crash.
• Bypass status for Insert-FX in the Mixer was sometimes not recalled as saved.
• Clef changes in Score Editor sometimes to applied to the desired Voices.
• Copied tracks showed wrong lyrics in Score Editor.
• Crash when dragging a MIDI-Event into the Input Transformer.
• Crash when importing certain Cubase 5.x Songs.
• Crash when pressing multiple transport buttons at the same time.
• Application may crash if you create automation tracks for FX tracks and then un-/reload a plug-in on that FX track.
• Different velocity values in midi parts are not recognized during playback. All events are played using the same velocity value.
• DirectX plug-ins are not disabled in the offline process menu after being deactivated in plug-in Information window.
• Display Length in Score Editor was not working.
• Dots in a dotted notes chord are not aligned.
• Drawing a ramp in Tempo Track and starting playback may lead to crash if audio warp is active.
• Drum Map settings in Score Editor sometimes not remembered.
• Each Time you close the Score-Editor, MIDI and audio drops out for a moment.
• Editing of audio events can be slow, especially if many events are warped/musical/transposed/crossfaded.
• Export Tracks / import archive ignores start times.
• Folder Track problem with copy and paste of events inside folder: Pasted events location is shifted.
• Folder tracks don't stay selected after duplicating.
• Group of events/parts could get dissolved when "Duplicate" command was used.
• Groups within folder tracks could break the signal path (no sound).
• It was not possible to expand / collapse multiple Folders in project window.
• It was not possible to change shape of note heads in Score Editor.
• Latency shifts when using MPEX with pitch-envelope -> these shifts should be compensated by time-stretching simultaneously.
• Moved notes to lower staff sometimes not aligned in Score Editor.
• MPEX Algorithm produces wrong results on events with offset (event start not at 0). E.g. cut an audio event and process the rear part.
• Multi track recording can result in freeze depending on Zoom Factor).
• Display mismatch of MIDI Insert-FX with Mackie Control display.
• Application doesn't completely quit if Hyperthreading is enabled with Dual CPU computers. Also possible crashes on loading projects.
• Application crashes after loading a project that contains a frozen VSTi Track.
• Application may crash after closing project without saving, followed by option "delete created files" = yes".
• Application may crash when changing clef on the second staff.
• Page Mode in Score Editor had problems with MIDI Step Input.
• Pool: Convert Stereo file Mono may cause crash
• Pool: Tempo information not always stored immediately with audio file.
• MIDI Pre-record does not work after beat 4 of count in.
• Pressing "Escape"-key to cancel dialogues sometimes led to undesired behavior
• Application may freeze if you remove Groups from the VST Connections window while playback is running.
• Program Changes have not been exported to MIDI file when a Patch Name list was used.
• Random crashes after project load.
• Recalling Workspaces could change Solo states of tracks.
• Score - Step Input fails if multiple parts are used.
• Score - Application may crash after undoing "Delete" of massive number of notes.
• Score: nudge a group of notes sideways changes the stem length.
• Score: Select status of notes (highlighted) is sometimes incorrect if you select notes using arrow keys.
• Several fixes for Page Layout problems in Score-Editor.
• Shuttling across video clip edits can cause lockups.
• Stems sometimes wrong after moving events form one staff to another in Score Editor.
• Symbols in Score Editor were gone after copying a part.
• Tempo symbol in Score Editor showed wrong value.
• Hide function in Score Editor sometimes did not work as expected.
• Turning monitor switch on without having physical input selected in VST connection panel could lead into instable application.
• Under certain conditions you were able to move/resize files to a negative filelength. Intermittently this even may result in crash.
• Using Game Joystick for Surround Panning can lead to freeze.
• Video (PC-only): Thumbnails are not displayed while winding, scrolling, etc. This only occurs with QuickTime video player on windows based system.
• In Cubase/Nuendo 3.x the Record Latency could vary. The greater the buffer size, the higher the latency (negative value).
• Writing automation with Key Editor open could not be undone.

[christianmusicmaker]

Just about every host has patches and fixes shortly after a release but Cubase users have had to workaround that many bugs for a whole year?

How do you work around so many bugs?