Forget TLs Maximizer or Kjarhus Classic Limiter ..

[rpc9943]

its not that good , guys... why not check out stardust or whatever thats called

RoNC

[friteuse]

To my ears it does ugly things to the mix. Certainly in dynamic domain, that's ok, but also in frequency domain. It doesn't add highs to me, but high mids, which let everything sound kind of cheap, bad transistor radio, and it kills bass.

For mastering, it's just useless to me, but it might be a good tool to preview the "after air" sound...

[;-)]

I think you forget that this plugin is free, and a free plugin that nomatter that it´s obviously in a very early stage of its development does something that no other plugins can do, also if not tweaked at all by the user, makes it useful - as long as that what it does is something that people need, and reading this thread proves that this is the case.
It is completely obvious to everybody that this plugin have more potential than in its current stage of development, but if the programmer is reading this thread and sees that there are people outthere being so spoiled that they´ll spend all their energy complaining about a free product, there´s a chance that he´ll just stop developing on it.
That´s not excactly what you want, is it?

Early development state - I don't think so.
Able to do something that no other can do - I don't think so.
Freeware prevents always for being crap - I don't think so.
My opinions stop a developer continuing - I don't think so.

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[;-)]

To my ears it does ugly things to the mix. Certainly in dynamic domain, that's ok, but also in frequency domain. It doesn't add highs to me, but high mids, which let everything sound kind of cheap, bad transistor radio, and it kills bass.

For mastering, it's just useless to me, but it might be a good tool to preview the "after air" sound...

Right.

Read the documentation, then you may actually understand why it does what it does (and how).
It is no high end mastering processor. It is a cheapmaker for audio. A broadcasting processor even.
And it is unusable for any professional demands too (for the reasons mentioned earlier).

So I don't understand the (try of) hype at all.

More: It is in NO WAY anyhow a professional grade product. There is not even any innovation.
If that's really supposed to be the ultimate "energizing", then I am actually at the end with my entire audio latinum.

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[jens]

it´s obviously in a very early stage of its development

bollocks!

[Roman Empire]

Early development state - I don't think so.
Able to do something that no other can do - I don't think so.
Freeware prevents always for being crap - I don't think so.
My opinions stop a developer continuing - I don't think so.

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Well, the functions of the plugin may not be in an early stage, but that it has not been tested with wavelab and that there is still no GUI for it tells me that it needs further development. Oh of course we never know if he´ll stop development tomorrow, and in that case of course it´s as fully developed as possible, but this would be the first time I´ve seen a 100 % GUI-less vsti that is not taken into further development on that part which is spoken about here at KVR.
What makes you think this is an exception?
Tell me please which other plugin can do this. Would like to try it.
Of course freeware can be crap = completely useless, but until I see a free plugin that can do the same as this one, but in a better way - better sound or with a GUI on it etc. - this thing is not useless to me.
As I see it, this thing at the mom is only beaten by expensive hardware, and if you got the money to spend on that, then I´m happy for you, but to the rest of us without the money, logically this is too useful to be useless. Unless of course you know something similar that is free. Please show it to us.
And, it happened before that developers stopped the development of a free product because there were too many immature kiddos without the respect for his work, but were just craving and complaining.

[;-)]

It is not simply *GUI-less*. It is also obviously realtime parameter-less and thus useless to me. A VST plugin SHOULD have any parameters to be useful!

I don't want to edit offline initialization files and restart the host or plugin all the time for some reasons to even test this piece in depth.
As mentioned earlier, there are also all sorts of other VST incompatibility issues with this "plugin".
It does very average and *questionable* things to the mix. That is also very audible!

So where is there any "quality" please? What about are you talking, to f**k?

It is probably intented to be a broadkasting batch program, which processes all the entire stream with one and the same parameters. So it never can be any quality solution per definition ...

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[bk]

Yeah, let's quit using something that sounds fabulous, and has a nice gui that is easily understood, and use something that, by definition, is not hi-fi and requires editting a txt file to change parameters...
Where do I sign up?
Frankly, I can't even be bothered to install this "plug"

[Paulie Phonick]

why not check out stardust or whatever thats called

You're right! Stardust also has an 8-band spectral compressor that does basically the same thing as Energize.

Ok people, this hype is officially over, move along, try Stardust

[monopoli]

thanks for bumping this.. I see hes updated the plugin from when I got it last.

though I'd still be scared to use this on a full mix.. whats going to happen IF (yeah big if there) my music gets on the radio or rebroadcast somehow.. theres going to be another one of these (in some form) at the station right? wouldnt that just double the problem?

Yes ! I found out working at our local radioshow on local music where we play lots of demo's and such. When you already squash your mix to death and you hear it on the (local) radio with another added limiter etc. your song will just sound softer (because there'll be no dynamics left) I even found out that tracks without (or very little) processing (like simple akoustic recordings of bands in the studio) tend to cut through relatively better.

[Roman Empire]

I just tried Stardust, and I can´t seem to make it do what EnergizeII does at all. It´s a nice plugin though, but it´d be nice if somebody could explain how to get the same result with that one.
I tried setting the input gain to levels higher than 0, but then the signal level also increases, and I have to turn it down with the output gain, resulting in that nothing is louder and only some pumping and equalization has been applied, when comparing it to what I get if just let things bypass.

[Paulie Phonick]

In Stardust go to a clean preset (the default "pumping house" is not a good starting point). Then try changing Threshold and Ratio values of the Multiband Compressor. That won't make your mix louder, but can improve the spectral balance of the mix. After that, tweak Bass and Treble enhancers to taste. Finally, to make the mix loud, you can either use the Output Gain knob on the Multiband Compressor or use the Wideband Compressor.

All in all, I have rediscovered Stardust yesterday! It can really bring life and clarity to a mix - I can hardly imagine how I was doing without it before!

[duncanparsons]

ta for that Paulie. I tried Stardust when it appeared, but couln't make head nor tail of it. What you said made scents..



DSP

[cptgone]

What you said made scents..

Bad breath?

[Paulie Phonick]

heh, mint applied

Must've had too much stardust lately...