Orion

[jens]

well.. I can see this is a great waste of time soooo im done wasting my time here.

...I guess I'll go do something.. productive now..

toodles.

so criticizing a programme which is quite obviously seriously flawed so that even the most simple operations which are just a single click in other similar programmes are truly cumbersome is in your opinion a waste of time?

[vtx]

I'm amazed none of these issues were solved, thats all we talked about over there for 6 months,
sounds to me its going the way of bang for the buck by just adding a couple more useless toys, thats how some of these apps head straight for the bargain bin........

[vurt]

er seriously flawed?
yet it seems so many others have no trouble with a click and entry of a track length?
hmmmm...

[Kriminal]

Orion still has flaws, but nothing that has ever stopped me making music, and on the flip side, it has a shit load of stuff that i dont need, never use and never will.

[Rabid]

one of the things I don't get about Orion - pattern-handling is soooo unflexible and unintuitive... - how can you cope with that?

Hmmm. I guess that is just a case of not everyone likes things the same way. I think Orion has one of the easiest methods of handling patterns. I like it much better in that respect than FL or Reason. And I cannot think of ANY host that knows when you want the pattern to automatically expand rather than loop. In fact, what host does automatically expand the length of a loop when you keep playing? And I am talking about pattern mode sequencing here, not linear.

Robert

[Willabong]

Set the pattern length to all 9s and play for as long or short as you wish, it's really not a problem. And YES it does work with ASIO4ALL.

[DHR53]

Hmmm... that was one of the uh, features I liked! Say, If I created a 32 beat pattern, but I wanted it to play back within the song at 48 beats, I can do that by changing the pattern length... In Fruity, you couldn't do that without adding a dummy note or something, right? Maybe it was the piano roll only... Anyway, I could play 8 notes, but make the pattern 16 or 32 in length... So it would play back within the song at different times etc.

I always liked that

[TeeLangSun]

one of the things I don't get about Orion - pattern-handling is soooo unflexible and unintuitive... - how can you cope with that?

Hmmm. I guess that is just a case of not everyone likes things the same way. I think Orion has one of the easiest methods of handling patterns. I like it much better in that respect than FL or Reason. And I cannot think of ANY host that knows when you want the pattern to automatically expand rather than loop. In fact, what host does automatically expand the length of a loop when you keep playing? And I am talking about pattern mode sequencing here, not linear.

Robert

FL did until very recently. Sometimes still does actually. Not that I'm defending Orion or anything. I think Orion's problem is that it's always been unstable right up through the very latest version. Too much focus on Instruments and FX, not enough focus on refinement and stability. Orion has literally 8 delays, and 5 reverbs! Meanwhile, there is still lots of weird behavior going on with Orion when you use it. Songs still have a tendacy to refuse to open later for no reason, and crashes are still very regular. It's too bad. Orion was the program that brought me back to making music when it first came out.

[jouni]

can you split audio tracks in song mode yet,

Eh? Haven't that been there all along?

how about if you make a pattern length of say 5000 steps, can you zoom out to see it all, or is it still scrolling mania,
if you lay down a pattern, can ya step through generators,
just a few of many hassles...

What about clicking on the playlist pattern in the position where you want your pianoroll open? Orion will bring the generator up for you and scroll pianoroll in the position you clicked in playlist.

[vtx]

my mistake,audio can be split, sorry bout that..
as for long patterns, just let me see the whole thing,

[Thoth93]

I have to say that just playing with the demo, I'm somewhat enthralled and then ever so slightly disappointed in Orion. I need to play with it a bit more before I ultimately decide it's a good investment. I like the pattern-based portions of it, but I don't get why adding a bit of live performance to that is so counter-intuitive in some ways. I'll keep plugging at it a bit longer.

[BONES]

Apparently, though, I have to set a pattern length to get something like this. Other programs I've played with just let you hit play and record and go as long as you need. I don't tend to always plan out how long I'm going to play a particular line before before I start.

I'm sure I'm missing something.

No, you're not. The difference between this and Fruity's way of doing it is that Fruity won't let you set a pattern length so you cannot have a couple of empty bars at the end so that a pattern will loop when all the others do. So whilst Fruity may give you a slightly easier set-up, its at the expense of ease of looping later on. And you're not limited to 999 in pattern length, you can double-click on the number display and enter any length you like up to 10,000 .

one of the things I don't get about Orion - pattern-handling is soooo unflexible and unintuitive... - how can you cope with that?

Care to elaborate? I find it completely intuitive and unbelievably flexible.

how about if you make a pattern length of say 5000 steps, can you zoom out to see it all, or is it still scrolling mania

I can zoom out to about 1600 steps on my monitor. If I had a bigger one I could see more. That's hardly "scrolling mania".

if you lay down a pattern, can ya step through generators

There are three ways I can think of off the top of my head: copy/paste the pattern [2 seconds], use "Receive MIDI Input From..." on the instrument Toolbar [3 seconds] or you could set up a MIDI Machine and reroute its output back into ORION and change MIDI channels [messy but doable if you wanted to].

I know a reverb was added, but was anybody asking for that???

Its not a reverb, its a real-time Impulse Response Processor. Any plug-in version will cost you more than ORION Platinum so I doubt that anyone would have thought to ask.

Apparently, Orion doesn't worth this way. Am I wrong?

No, you're not wrong but, as I said up there somewhere, each method has its own advantages.

you don't have to deal with it - if you can that's great for you as the synths and most of the fx are awesome but the playlist is imho still just phatetic...

Again, care to elaborate? I can't think of anything else that I would want the Playlist to do. Its simple, easy to work with and you can see at a glance what is going on where. What else do you need?

[jens]

you don't have to deal with it - if you can that's great for you as the synths and most of the fx are awesome but the playlist is imho still just phatetic...

Again, care to elaborate? I can't think of anything else that I would want the Playlist to do. Its simple, easy to work with and you can see at a glance what is going on where. What else do you need?

sorry, I didn't come around to reply earlier - for sure I care to elaborate

tbh I'm a bit confused though that you ask at all - I thought it was completely obvious what I was referring to (as all what's missing appears like one huge scary black hole to me so I'm wondering how you manage to steer around it without even seeing it... )


it appears to me (maybe I'm wrong and just didn't get to do it? ) that almost all the important basic sequencing stuff is missing in Orion...



- dragging of patterns to another place on the same track or another track

- copying (crtl+dragging) of patterns to another place on the same track or another track

- selecting several patterns at once by lassoing them

- resizing patterns by dragging their left and/or their right end

- deleting several selected patterns at once

stuff like that... - for sure you can sequence & arrange your ideas in Orion but it appears like a nightmare to me...




but there are other things that disturb me as well:

- if you close the gui of a plugin the plugin gets deleted so that you're always fiddling around with lots of opened windows

- you can't move tracks up or down

- you can't edit more than one pattern at once (there's no inline-editing)

- you can't minimize tracks

- and how on earth to you select several notes in the editor?


- - actually most of what I'm missing about sequencing patterns goes for the midi-editor as well




not to speak of more advanced stuff like:

- folder-tracks

- muting of pattern/notes

- toggling between relative and absolute snap

etc. blablabla...

[Kriminal]

it appears to me (maybe I'm wrong and just didn't get to do it? ) that almost all the important basic sequencing stuff is missing in Orion...

-dragging of patterns to another place on the same track or another track

you can

- copying (crtl+dragging) of patterns to another place on the same track or another track-

you can

- selecting several patterns at once by lassoing them

you can



- deleting several selected patterns at once

you can

stuff like that... - for sure you can sequence & arrange your ideas in Orion but it appears like a nightmare to me...


but there are other things that disturb me:

- if you close the gui of a plugin the plugin gets deleted so that you're always fiddling around with lots of opened windows

?????

- you can't move tracks up or down

you can

- you can't edit more than one pattern at once (there's no inline-editing)

why would you?



- and how on earth to you select several notes in the editor?

lasso tool

[jens]

it appears to me (maybe I'm wrong and just didn't get to do it? ) that almost all the important basic sequencing stuff is missing in Orion...

-dragging of patterns to another place on the same track or another track

you can

but how?

- copying (crtl+dragging) of patterns to another place on the same track or another track-

you can

but how?

- selecting several patterns at once by lassoing them

you can

but how?

- deleting several selected patterns at once

you can

but how?

stuff like that... - for sure you can sequence & arrange your ideas in Orion but it appears like a nightmare to me...


but there are other things that disturb me:

- if you close the gui of a plugin the plugin gets deleted so that you're always fiddling around with lots of opened windows

?????

?????

- you can't move tracks up or down

you can

but how?

- you can't edit more than one pattern at once (there's no inline-editing)

why would you?

basically to see what's going on - e.g. to match a complex bassline with a complex rhythm

- and how on earth to you select several notes in the editor?

lasso tool

how do I use it?