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UAD digital plugins vs KVR developers brightest minds!
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- KVRist
- 121 posts since 20 Nov, 2003 from Finland
off topic:
About the UAD plugins, I run logic audio (silver) 5.5.1 and whenever I place an effect on a tracks insert, it is delayed. UAD tell me that all versions of logic audio have PDC on inserts, but this is not true? UAD effects on busses are delayed too, but this I am aware of.
About the UAD plugins, I run logic audio (silver) 5.5.1 and whenever I place an effect on a tracks insert, it is delayed. UAD tell me that all versions of logic audio have PDC on inserts, but this is not true? UAD effects on busses are delayed too, but this I am aware of.
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- KVRist
- 257 posts since 7 Mar, 2005
isnt this basically like asking why can someone who has been playing the violin for 25 years sound better than someone who has been playing for 5 years?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2049 posts since 18 Sep, 2003 from Seattle USA
If it were only UA analog hardware I would guess most definitely yes...I was thinking that dsp implementation would have leveled the playing field a lot. According to some nice observations in this thread UA plugin developers may have advantages other developers don't have.knot0fvipers wrote:isnt this basically like asking why can someone who has been playing the violin for 25 years sound better than someone who has been playing for 5 years?
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- KVRist
- 159 posts since 9 Apr, 2004
I just got a UAD-1 Studio Pack card a couple days ago... I'm probably going to add the Project Pak pretty soon... and maybe another one on top of that
I don't think that the UAD plugins are the best I've ever heard. I wasn't really super impressed. But they still are great plugins and they offload pressure from my CPU, so I'm quite happy
I donno if it's such a good deal though. I guess in some ways its a great deal and it some days they're really are having their dirty way with our asses. But I say, what's money when it can truly help you write music better? No more bouncing down, no more resampling, no more useless track freeze. Totally worth it.
Although I wonder how long it'll be until TC/UAD releases a new wave of cards rendering ours completely useless
... especially since I jumped on the DSP-card train very late.
I don't think that the UAD plugins are the best I've ever heard. I wasn't really super impressed. But they still are great plugins and they offload pressure from my CPU, so I'm quite happy
I donno if it's such a good deal though. I guess in some ways its a great deal and it some days they're really are having their dirty way with our asses. But I say, what's money when it can truly help you write music better? No more bouncing down, no more resampling, no more useless track freeze. Totally worth it.
Although I wonder how long it'll be until TC/UAD releases a new wave of cards rendering ours completely useless
... especially since I jumped on the DSP-card train very late.hi
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- KVRist
- 322 posts since 2 Mar, 2005
I'm actually hoping UAD hurry up and release a new card. I have heard about problems with the amd x2 motherboards and I know when I upgrade next my motherboard won't even have pci.
So for now I wait.
So for now I wait.
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- KVRian
- 1202 posts since 8 May, 2003 from Munich
To quote UAudio support on dropout issues (which possibly can be solved by sticking the uad in a magma chassis, gonna try that as soon as get hands on one within the next few weeks):
This is an issue with all systems that use the AMD 8131 chipset, including some Apple computers.
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- KVRist
- 227 posts since 27 May, 2004
This is one of the more interesting threads I have read in a while, covering native vs. powered from technical, philosophical and financial perspectives.
My favorite plugs and soft synths are all simple to adjust to get the desired result. There can be no doubt that UAD comps fit that description. There is nothing more satisfying than having a broad range of musically pleasing adjustments at your disposal.
Plugs where a given knob is only musically useful between, say, one and two o'clock drive me nuts.
Even my favorite multiband, Voxengo's Soniformer, which is 32 bands and can hardly be considered simple, takes an intuitive approach by controlling most params with a handful of graphical envelopes and a couple of key knobs. That plug is truly innovative and I believe will be a classic in years to come.
Anyway, back to UAD. I would buy the plugs in a heartbeat if native. Though some good points were made regarding the VST dependence on backwards compatibility with the latest operating systems, history has shown that there is more security going that route than with proprietary hardware.
For a living, I manage a team that electronically distributes software to 45,000 corporate PC's. You would be amazed how many 15 year old programs we see that are still needed and are supportable in our environment. Not that they aren't a pain!
My favorite plugs and soft synths are all simple to adjust to get the desired result. There can be no doubt that UAD comps fit that description. There is nothing more satisfying than having a broad range of musically pleasing adjustments at your disposal.
Plugs where a given knob is only musically useful between, say, one and two o'clock drive me nuts.
Even my favorite multiband, Voxengo's Soniformer, which is 32 bands and can hardly be considered simple, takes an intuitive approach by controlling most params with a handful of graphical envelopes and a couple of key knobs. That plug is truly innovative and I believe will be a classic in years to come.
Anyway, back to UAD. I would buy the plugs in a heartbeat if native. Though some good points were made regarding the VST dependence on backwards compatibility with the latest operating systems, history has shown that there is more security going that route than with proprietary hardware.
For a living, I manage a team that electronically distributes software to 45,000 corporate PC's. You would be amazed how many 15 year old programs we see that are still needed and are supportable in our environment. Not that they aren't a pain!
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- KVRAF
- 20872 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
Logic didn't gain PDC until ver. 7, AFAIK.Skaven83 wrote:off topic:
About the UAD plugins, I run logic audio (silver) 5.5.1 and whenever I place an effect on a tracks insert, it is delayed. UAD tell me that all versions of logic audio have PDC on inserts, but this is not true? UAD effects on busses are delayed too, but this I am aware of.
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- KVRAF
- 20872 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
Which plug-ins have you been using? Avoid the EX-1 & Realverb, they're not worth using over native plug-ins so it's better to save the DSP for the LA2A, Pultec, Fairchild, et al.nibbzious wrote:I don't think that the UAD plugins are the best I've ever heard. I wasn't really super impressed. But they still are great plugins and they offload pressure from my CPU, so I'm quite happy
TC's already on their next generation cards. Personally, I've been using the same Pulsar card since 1998.Although I wonder how long it'll be until TC/UAD releases a new wave of cards rendering ours completely useless
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- KVRist
- 307 posts since 24 Feb, 2004
Logic had PDC on audio tracks and virtual instrument tracks well before v7.Uncle E wrote:Logic didn't gain PDC until ver. 7, AFAIK.Skaven83 wrote:off topic:
About the UAD plugins, I run logic audio (silver) 5.5.1 and whenever I place an effect on a tracks insert, it is delayed. UAD tell me that all versions of logic audio have PDC on inserts, but this is not true? UAD effects on busses are delayed too, but this I am aware of.
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- KVRian
- 611 posts since 30 May, 2004
Eh what do you mean, on my box it says studio pak, not pack, as i discovered, i am sitting with it here. Or what are you refering too, sorry if I am asking a stupid question.nice typo Wink
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- KVRian
- 1161 posts since 17 Nov, 2002 from Middlesbrough,UK
What you have to remember is most of the UAD-1 pugins are modeled on vintage gear some over 30 years old the fairchil 670 compressor is from the 1950's , so theres no reason why you won't want to use the same plugins in 10 years time ?Aleksey Vaneev wrote:Just wanted to say one thing - there will be time when UAD will have to offer something really exceptional to compete with native plug-ins. With multi-core compressors appearing (and we'll eventually see 4 or 8 core processors) it's hard to see how can UAD DSP boards survive in the long run. Only if they offer something exceptional (but here we have a problem of understanding of what exceptional really is).
PS I love my UAD-1
nothing like a Precision EQ & limiter on your master channel.
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- KVRian
- 1161 posts since 17 Nov, 2002 from Middlesbrough,UK
ANybody mentioned the Roland space echo that Universal audio are making this very moment....i can't wait