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DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:59 pm

Copying parts may or may not make them ghosts.

Try this:
Copy and Paste a MIDI Part using Ctrl+c then Ctrl+v (or right-click >> Copy, then right-click >> Paste)

If the original part is on the first track in the Arrangement the parts become ghosts,
If the original part is not on the first track the parts are not ghosts.

Hope this gets fixed soon- preferably to create copies as ghosts.
(Ctrl+Shift+drag will still create independent copies, though)

soma · Post by **soma** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:44 am

IMO
Ctrl V should always paste a true copy. That is windows (and Mac) convention.

atomota · Post by **atomota** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:40 pm

That convention shouldn't necessarily apply here because things you copy on windows generally can't be "ghosted". I'd say that since parts can be unghosted but not ghosted (AFAIK), and since usually what I want is a ghost, then ghost should be the default for ctrl-v, or it should be configurable. But, there should be right-click options to paste as ghost or paste as copy.

tjvigil66 · Post by **tjvigil66** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:44 pm

atomota wrote:...because things you copy on windows generally can't be "ghosted".

All the more reason to follow the general convention for regular copying & have a modified version for ghosting!

soma · Post by **soma** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:45 pm

@-atamoica
I see your point and I agree. In most ways Ghost is MORE of a copy than a replica. It is a symbolic link (alias/shortcut). It is a copy of the data with persistance. I take my old comment back.

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:31 pm

Guys, I think I did not make my point clear:

If you Ctrl+c Ctrl+v a part that is on the first track then you get a ghost

If you Ctrl+c Ctrl+v a part that is on another track then you get an independent copy

It is the inconsistency that I am reporting as a fault.

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BTW I am happy with Ctrl+c ctrl+v (and Ctrl+drag) to create ghosts and Ctrl+Shift+drag to create an independent copy

soCALLEDgenius · Post by **soCALLEDgenius** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:31 pm

i hate ghostparts...i want a possibility to switch off the ghostpartfeature!

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:13 pm

DarkStar wrote:

If you Ctrl+c Ctrl+v a part that is on the first track then you get a ghost

If you Ctrl+c Ctrl+v a part that is on another track then you get an independent copy

weird - I can't reproduce this behaviour - here is always an unghosted copy created...

tjvigil66 · Post by **tjvigil66** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:39 am

Either way, I think that a regular copy should follow conventional Windows standards while ghost-copying should require a modified set of keystrokes!

...just my 2 cents.

Caleb · Post by **Caleb** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:36 am

Wow! I get wildly inconsistent results with copy and paste. Sometimes I get a ghosted copy and sometimes I get an unghosted copy. This is regardless of whether I copy on the same track or a different track.

Bizarre.

Put this down as a confirmation of the bug.

Caleb

Caleb · Post by **Caleb** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:39 am

Hmmmmm - try this.

Create a part. Then Copy and Paste onto the same track - should be ghosted.
Do another paste onto a different track - should also be ghosted.

However, copy one of the ghosted copies and then paste. You'll get an unghosted copy. This will occur whether you paste on the same track or a different track.

And if you take one of the unghosted copies and do a copy and paste you get ghosted copies again.

See if that behaviour is consistent with all of you. Should help jorgen to find the root cause in the code.

Caleb

atomota · Post by **atomota** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:10 am

DarkStar wrote:Guys, I think I did not make my point clear:

I got it. I think everybody would agree that bafflingly inconsistent behavior is no good, and the discussion was centered more around "preferably to create copies as ghosts".

piranha XT wrote:All the more reason to follow the general convention for regular copying & have a modified version for ghosting!

There's something to be said for that, but at the same time, making something less convenient just for the sake of a convention established for working with more limited types of data seems weak. This looks like good place for a configurable option.

I actually prefer to avoid using my keyboard for music stuff anyway since I can't fit both my qwerty keyboard and my midi keyboard comfortably on my table, so who am I to talk.

There's a very interesting writeup on "why ctrl-v for paste" and the associated politics at http://legalminds.lp.findlaw.com/list/rre/msg00158.html

robenestobenz · Post by **robenestobenz** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:38 pm

Confirmed. If the original part is in the first track, ghosted copy - otherwise always unghosted.

plastique · Post by **plastique** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:57 pm

soma wrote:@-atamoica
I see your point and I agree. In most ways Ghost is MORE of a copy than a replica. It is a symbolic link (alias/shortcut). It is a copy of the data with persistance. I take my old comment back.

ditto for me .
Ghosting keeps the reference and so the hierarchy (which is removed by unghosting).
If otherwise you unghost by default you won't be able to get back the ghost copy anymore .

sorry for going OT again

Jeremy_NSL · Post by **Jeremy_NSL** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:02 pm

confirmed.

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BR - To Ghost or not to Ghost