Orion

[jens]

lasso tool

how do I use it?

I managed now to use it - it appears that there's a bug that makes it sometimes fail to work...´


edit: nope - it's not a bug - when a pattern is selected the first click on the background will deselect it instead of starting to lasso...

[Kriminal]

it appears to me (maybe I'm wrong and just didn't get to do it? ) that almost all the important basic sequencing stuff is missing in Orion...

-dragging of patterns to another place on the same track or another track

you can

but how?

- copying (crtl+dragging) of patterns to another place on the same track or another track-

you can

but how?

- selecting several patterns at once by lassoing them

you can

but how?

- deleting several selected patterns at once

you can

but how?

stuff like that... - for sure you can sequence & arrange your ideas in Orion but it appears like a nightmare to me...


but there are other things that disturb me:

- if you close the gui of a plugin the plugin gets deleted so that you're always fiddling around with lots of opened windows

?????

?????

- you can't move tracks up or down

you can

but how?

- you can't edit more than one pattern at once (there's no inline-editing)

why would you?

basically to see what's going on - e.g. to match a complex bassline with a complex rhythm

- and how on earth to you select several notes in the editor?

lasso tool

how do I use it?

Im not being rude, but i cant be arsed to go thru the whole thing to explain it mate, its basically using the lasso in the Playlist, and dragging with a mouse, or pressing CTRL and dragging to copy and move, which will also drag events too.

[jens]

Im not being rude, but i cant be arsed to go thru the whole thing to explain it mate, its basically using the lasso in the Playlist, and dragging with a mouse, or pressing CTRL and dragging to copy and move, which will also drag events too.

been there, done that...

now I managed to make it happen but not to different tracks...

- but anyway: it's not as bad as I thought it was

[opiadream]

welcome to the twilight zone

[jouni]

Im not being rude, but i cant be arsed to go thru the whole thing to explain it mate, its basically using the lasso in the Playlist, and dragging with a mouse, or pressing CTRL and dragging to copy and move, which will also drag events too.

been there, done that...

now I managed to make it happen but not to different tracks...

- but anyway: it's not as bad as I thought it was

No way to copy to another track unfortunate - but it's rather fast just to copy the patterns to another generator and practically write the pattern sequencer from keyboard (yes - you can enter the pattern letter+number from keyboard to pattern you hover with mouse in playlist).

I find the lassoo too work very well. Also note that on pianoroll you can use arrow keys to move selected notes around. Also copy and paste works for lassoed patterns in playlist - but I usually just use the drag copy myself. Same editing functions work slicing up audio track clips. Lasso the part and drag.

And what comes to editing several pianorolls at a time.. sure you can. Open up the generators and their pianorolls. Orion will default to maximized pianoroll window, but you can make the window normal and resize as you wish. Tab key is very good to switch between generator and pianoroll view - or then just double click on the pattern on the playlist to bring up the pattern in pianoroll with automatically scrolled to the position you double clicked.

Re-ordering tracks - just drag the track name up/down in playlist.

[Jaeson Merrill]

You need to set pattern lenghts before hand

one of the things I don't get about Orion - pattern-handling is soooo unflexible and unintuitive... - how can you cope with that?

indeed.. wow.

[Jaeson Merrill]

No, you're not. The difference between this and Fruity's way of doing it is that Fruity won't let you set a pattern length so you cannot have a couple of empty bars at the end so that a pattern will loop when all the others do. So whilst Fruity may give you a slightly easier set-up, its at the expense of ease of looping later on. And you're not limited to 999 in pattern length, you can double-click on the number display and enter any length you like up to 10,000 .

when was the last time you used FL?

Pattern lengths can be changed however you wish.

[jens]

Re-ordering tracks - just drag the track name up/down in playlist.

I tried that - it always opens the mixer here..

[DHR53]

These Orion discussions always go the same way... Either you like Orion, and "get it" or you don't. I don't think anyone has ever been converted

...and for the record, I always liked it!

[aMUSEd]

These Orion discussions always go the same way... Either you like Orion, and "get it" or you don't. I don't think anyone has ever been converted )

Not entirely true

[jouni]

Re-ordering tracks - just drag the track name up/down in playlist.

I tried that - it always opens the mixer here..

Well, it still moves the track. Not sure why it was changed (OP5 i think) it so that after moving mixer is brought up.

[BONES]

I tried that - it always opens the mixer here..

I assume that is because it reorders the strips and wants the Mixer maximised to show everyone how clever it is.

I don't have any problems with ORION's Windoze-standard way of doing things. Once you develop a good way of working with it you come to realise how much more flexible it is than any other host. I can see the Toolbar for every instrument and my whole mixer at one time. That means that any Piano Roll or instrument GUI or effect is only one mouse-click away from the main window. I suppose it depends on how you work but I am yet to develop as slick a workflow in eXT as I have in ORION and Fruity is the antithesis of workflow to me. As for the big sequencers - forget it.

[Jaeson Merrill]

yeah, it really is how you work...

but you work MUCH stupider than me, cause i use FL

no, but really, just a matter of taste.

I honestly dont feel like theres anything you can do in orion that you cant do in FL and vice versa, but how you get there is much easier for me in FL, and much easier for you in orion.

i think its cool to discuss the differences tho, cause perhaps a person may be griding his gears using FL and needs orion all along.

or vice versa (which would more likely be the case ) j/k

[BONES]

The big difference is that I used Fruity for 18 months before I discovered ORION which should have been plenty of time to "get" the workflow. I can understand you using one host and finding another less useful but for me it was the other way around. In 18 months I never completely finished one thing in Fruity. In my first 6 months of using ORION I ported all of our songs from my TRINITY and finished off 3 or 4 new ones. That says it all to me.

[imekon]

Apparently, though, I have to set a pattern length to get something like this. Other programs I've played with just let you hit play and record and go as long as you need. I don't tend to always plan out how long I'm going to play a particular line before before I start.

I'm sure I'm missing something.

No, you're not. The difference between this and Fruity's way of doing it is that Fruity won't let you set a pattern length so you cannot have a couple of empty bars at the end so that a pattern will loop when all the others do. So whilst Fruity may give you a slightly easier set-up, its at the expense of ease of looping later on. And you're not limited to 999 in pattern length, you can double-click on the number display and enter any length you like up to 10,000 .

If a pianoroll pattern is shorter than others, then in the playlist it appears shorter... so you leave a gap in the playlist, then it loops just fine with other patterns, so I don't quite see why this is a problem?