I'm not sure I'm following this properly...
Is this the same as loading an instance of eXTE to a midi track and then routing output of tracks you want to group to the eXTE track?
That's how I've been doing "group tracks". Maybe I'm thinking of something different?
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hidden feature - group-tracks with full functionality
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- KVRian
- 1191 posts since 8 Jul, 2005 from NY, US
Hey Jens, is there any way you can post a pic of your setup for your original post? I can't seem to get my head around this...
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- KVRist
- 253 posts since 29 Nov, 2004
That's what it sounds like to me, like this:smp wrote:Is this the same as loading an instance of eXTE to a midi track and then routing output of tracks you want to group to the eXTE track?
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 92#1354192
Myself, I'd like to be able send to one of these "groups".
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- KVRAF
- 4143 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia
Jens you gave me a profoundly stupid and simple idea......
The Nothing plug.
Insert into your EnergyXT sequencer - it's whole purpose to do nothing but stream the input through to the output, therefore creating a group channel in your main mixer.
Then you can just chain insert effects on the output and redirect to a master channel.
http://energyxt.calebblake.com/plugins/GroupChannel.zip
Actually I called it GroupChannel - what the hell.
I'm amazed that a nothing plug like this would take up so much space though - over 2MB? Phew!!!
There is no GUI - of course, but it's not like you need one.
Feel free to send barrel loads of money to me for such an invaluable enterprise.
Of course you can just use eXT fx plug-in to do the same thing if you don't want to help me get rich.
Caleb
The Nothing plug.
Insert into your EnergyXT sequencer - it's whole purpose to do nothing but stream the input through to the output, therefore creating a group channel in your main mixer.
Then you can just chain insert effects on the output and redirect to a master channel.
http://energyxt.calebblake.com/plugins/GroupChannel.zip
Actually I called it GroupChannel - what the hell.
I'm amazed that a nothing plug like this would take up so much space though - over 2MB? Phew!!!
There is no GUI - of course, but it's not like you need one.
Feel free to send barrel loads of money to me for such an invaluable enterprise.
Of course you can just use eXT fx plug-in to do the same thing if you don't want to help me get rich.
Caleb
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
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- KVRAF
- 5350 posts since 8 Aug, 2003 from Berlin Germany
Wow, good job jens. I had been using the main window for so much I hadn't thought of that.
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- KVRAF
- 4143 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia
It would be nice if the plug-in would expand immediately when selecting the track that eventually routes through it.....(and I can already hear BigTone revving his engines 
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Caleb
).Caleb
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
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- KVRAF
- 5350 posts since 8 Aug, 2003 from Berlin Germany
Caleb- Was that plug made in SM? (haven't DL'd yet) Just wondering the compiling size of a nothing plug.
The one I made in SE was 1860 kb.
The one I made in SE was 1860 kb.
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- KVRAF
- 4143 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia
Yeah - it was SM.
According to Windows the DLL size is 2.36Meg.
That's bloody enormous isn't it?
I think it ends up being more efficient to use the XT Plug-in personally. That's only 1 Meg and has a tonne of functionality.
Obviously - if a clever boffin would make up a quick C++ nothing plug it should be tiny. Then we have an extremely low-impact group channel in our mixer. Anybody??
Caleb
According to Windows the DLL size is 2.36Meg.
That's bloody enormous isn't it?
I think it ends up being more efficient to use the XT Plug-in personally. That's only 1 Meg and has a tonne of functionality.
Obviously - if a clever boffin would make up a quick C++ nothing plug it should be tiny. Then we have an extremely low-impact group channel in our mixer. Anybody??
Caleb
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 25037 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
Good job Caleb! - that's exactly what I was suggesting Anechoic Room Simulator for...
(which is still twice as big b.t.w. - but it has got a gui...) - I now loaded GroupChannel to all my default group-tracks...
- that's exactly what I was suggesting Anechoic Room Simulator for...(which is still twice as big b.t.w. - but it has got a gui...) - I now loaded GroupChannel to all my default group-tracks...
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 25037 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
nope - it's not the same as in this thread...atomota wrote:That's what it sounds like to me, like this:smp wrote:Is this the same as loading an instance of eXTE to a midi track and then routing output of tracks you want to group to the eXTE track?
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 92#1354192
Myself, I'd like to be able send to one of these "groups".
@smp: I'm not sure I got what you mean... - if you mean using the midi-track itself for loading the group-fx then the answer is 'yes' but you can use any other plugin instead of eXTE - if you mean opening the gui of eXTE and using it for chaining plugins: that's not neccessary.
Jorgen coded the sequencer in a way that you can route the audio stream to a plugin that has been loaded as an instrument. The audio-stream is then feed to the fx-chain of this 'instrument' even if it is not an actual instrument (you can use any plugin for it) - after you loaded it to a midi-track you even don't need the midi-track anymore - as soon as it is loaded as an instrument to the sequencer you can route any audio-track to it without a midi-track being routed to is as well.
These group-channels offer all the functionality you could need - you can fully automate them (despite sends of course) and you can even route them to other group-tracks - and b.t.w.: now it is suddenly very useful that you can rename plugins...
and all the time people were asking for group-tracks it was already there...
Last edited by jens on Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:36 am, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRAF
- 2938 posts since 18 Jul, 2005
I've been using this method for a while, but it still doesn't solve the problem of saving good combinations of VSTs for me. Having a chain contained in an eXTE instance does allow you to save them, but is more cumbersome to use.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 25037 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
so you already knew about it? 
- actually it's soooo obvious but not even Jorgen mentioned it when people were asking for group-tracks and we were suggesting all kinds of workarounds (the latest one - and best for me - was using the master-outs as group-tracks (possible since the mixer overhaul))
- actually it's soooo obvious but not even Jorgen mentioned it when people were asking for group-tracks and we were suggesting all kinds of workarounds (the latest one - and best for me - was using the master-outs as group-tracks (possible since the mixer overhaul))-
- KVRAF
- 4143 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia
Glad you like my "nothing" plug jens.
I think if someone who knows how to code VST just does a simple input to output with absolutely nothing else you should get something quite a bit smaller than my stupid thing.
The funny thing is that I was always doing these stupidly complex setups with inserts, mixer channels etc. in eXT VSTfx and inserting it in my project using the same method that you're using but failing to notice how I could just use the levels, panning, inserts and sends already in the main mixer. What a dickhead!
I think some things are just far too simple to ever notice. How long do you reckon we've been able to this jens...forever? Probably!
Caleb
I think if someone who knows how to code VST just does a simple input to output with absolutely nothing else you should get something quite a bit smaller than my stupid thing.
The funny thing is that I was always doing these stupidly complex setups with inserts, mixer channels etc. in eXT VSTfx and inserting it in my project using the same method that you're using but failing to notice how I could just use the levels, panning, inserts and sends already in the main mixer. What a dickhead!
I think some things are just far too simple to ever notice. How long do you reckon we've been able to this jens...forever? Probably!
Caleb
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 25037 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
Caleb wrote: I think some things are just far too simple to ever notice. How long do you reckon we've been able to do this jens...forever? Probably!
probably for a very long time
who has still got a very old version to try it?