KVR Audio

dblue · Post by **dblue** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:05 pm

phu303:

I managed to track down the problem that was messing with FruityLoops, so that'll be fixed in the next update of Glitch (to be released any day now).

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:11 pm

lets wait for new versions

yiiippeeeeeee

dblue · Post by **dblue** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:12 pm

orangesuite wrote:If you are using SOnar4 then do NOT use DirectXer. USe the Cakewalk adapter and configure it as a DXi, this will transmit the tempo info to the plug. It does work as Ive been destroying all day.

Hmm, interesting. I was beginning to worry that figuring out the Sonar problem would be a complete nightmare. A couple of people have mentioned that Sonar 3 and 4 did not like Glitch at all. But you can confirm that it does actually work?

I'm not familiar with Sonar at all myself, so could you possibly give me a little more detailed description of how Glitch needs to be setup? (Screenshots would be awesome). Or would what you just said make total sense to any other regular Sonar user? I would just like to include the information on my website for other users.

Cheers.

mindless · Post by **mindless** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:39 pm

Added 2 more Glitch tracks for anyone interested.
The Tracks 'Fun with the Cerebrum' and 'Glue'. at
http://www.7161.com/artist.cfm?user=687 ... ackno=1&st

phu303 · Post by **phu303** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:01 pm

dblue wrote:phu303:

I managed to track down the problem that was messing with FruityLoops, so that'll be fixed in the next update of Glitch (to be released any day now).

supeeerrbbb !!!

orangesuite · Post by **orangesuite** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:07 pm

All you need to say is that the plug-in should be configured as a VSTi in the plugin properties section of the CakeWalk Adapter. The other thing is that with Sonar5 coming out, VST will be supported natively.

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:38 pm

dblue wrote:
munchkin wrote:I can't figure out how to use it in ACID 5 and Sonar 4. Is it possible to use it in either of these hosts?

The problem with ACID is mentioned briefly earlier in this thread, though I didn't really make another post explaining what I'd discovered so far. Basically ACID does not set a certain VST flag called kVstTransportPlaying, which tells the VST plugin whether the sequencer is currently playing or not. I'm still kinda confused why ACID doesn't do this because to me it seems like such an obvious and necessary thing. My mistake was assuming that all hosts would provide this info to the plugin and building my code around that assumption. D'oh!

I have actually managed to get Glitch working in ACID but it involves a hack which I'm still experimenting with. And with this hack in place some other things which weren't designed to work that way start to behave strangely. So, right now I'm just patching up any weird stuff that's happening as a result of the hack. The next version of Glitch is gonna have some kind of workaround in place for ACID users, probably a switch in the GUI which will be off by default, but can be turned on if needed.

As for Sonar, I've had another person mention to me that it just caused Sonar 3 to crash when using the VST wrapper, so I would assume that Sonar 4 is having a similar problem. Because the VST wrapper has to be used it might make things a lot more difficult for me to figure out. I'm gonna try to set aside some time to investigate further, though it's not one of my top priorities at the moment. I have a feeling it's gonna be a really weird bug to track down, so I don't wanna get too lost in trying to figure that one out while I have a handful of other simpler issues I can be working on now.

Thanks for taking the time to sort this out. I know that ACID has some inconsistancies where VST's are concerned. Both Camel's CamelPhat/Space and U-He's Filterscape behave in an odd way in ACID. ACID keeps changing the preset settings in these plugins unless the preset is set in ACID and not the plugin GUI. Both developers have been in contact with Sony to raise this issue.

On the ACID forum, the Sony techs claim that they have followed the offical VST/i implimentation protocol in ACID but then when they can't fix a VST problem in ACID they claim that Steinberg has not been consistant with the design of the VST protocol. So it's never a ACID/Sony problem!

I must admit though, Sony will fix bugs if enough people demonstrate that they exist. If they haven't included this VST flag then I think they would fix this if they knew about it.

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:51 pm

1. I've set Glitch as a VSTi in the Cakewalk Adapter
2. Opened it as a soft-synth in Sonar 4
3. Placed an audio loop in the Glitch audio track
4. Set up a sequence in Glitch triggered by C4
5. Input a midi note on C4
6. Pressed play in Sonar 4 but Glitch does not make a sound

I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. This proceedure has worked with other midi controlled audio plugins in the past.

dblue · Post by **dblue** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:15 pm

munchkin wrote:I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. This proceedure has worked with other midi controlled audio plugins in the past.

Glitch isn't primarily midi controlled, I just threw some basic midi support in there to automate some of the parameters in possible live setups.

It should normally be used like any other VST effect, as an FX insert I guess? Basically it expects a mono/stereo audio signal, and it will output a stereo audio signal.

mindless · Post by **mindless** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:17 am

seamoss wrote: I just hope people don't start creating instant glitch records with it.

Well it's gonna happen anyway so let me be the first!

I call this album 'Bumbaclot!'

Here's 18 tracks all done with a lot of Glitch. All done completely in eXT and 100% freeware.
They are all the tracks with red font at:
http://zebox.com/dubblehelix

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:17 am

On the ACID forum, the Sony techs claim that they have followed the offical VST/i implimentation protocol in ACID but then when they can't fix a VST problem in ACID they claim that Steinberg has not been consistant with the design of the VST protocol. So it's never a ACID/Sony problem!

I must admit though, Sony will fix bugs if enough people demonstrate that they exist. If they haven't included this VST flag then I think they would fix this if they knew about it.

well
when i'm using acid with vst and try to bounce or export files, it often crashes. When i asked to acid support, they told me that my problem was "highly technical" (!!!!), and asked me which plugin was causing crashing, but as it happens with every on, this should be a Acid problem !

mojogigolo · Post by **mojogigolo** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:38 am

this is a great piece of software, good work dblue.

dblue · Post by **dblue** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:07 pm

Just wanted to let people know that version 1.2.0 is now available.

Updates in 1.2.0:

- Implemented a workaround for ACID Pro (see Hosts section in documentation).
- Fixed an automation bug which caused Fruityloops to crash occasionally.
- Fixed a GUI bug which caused parameter values to be displayed slightly inaccurately.
- Improved flanger, removing a crackling sound which could be heard occasionally.
- Improved the action of several parameters (pan, mix, vol, etc), making them smoother.

http://illformed.org/glitch/

Cheers.

orangesuite · Post by **orangesuite** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:28 pm

SONAR USERS:

Use Cakewalk Adapter and get it to scan your VST folder. When you get the list of plugs after the scan select dbleGlitch and hit 'properties'. Then select configure as DXi in the pop-up window.

orangesuite · Post by **orangesuite** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:30 pm

SONAR USERS: It will then come up as a DX Synth rather than an Insert

dblueGlitch Vst Demo is out...