As a long time registered user of nTrack Studio (although I haven't actually used it for years), I thought I'd check up on the latest update of the program to see if its midi editing ever improved.
During installation, I'm first told I need the .NET framework runtime version 2, so I downloaded it from Microsoft and installed it...at which time I was told I needed Windows Installer 3, but Microsoft weren't going to allow me to download and install that unless I agreed for them to grab all this information about my system to validate me as a genuine Windows user and give me a code.
That's about where I drew the line.
Apparently this stuff will be included with future Windows operating systems by default. Well nTrack Studio will just have to wait until I'm operating under one of those new systems before I ever look at that program again.
What a toss!
Caleb
nTrack Studio - blah
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- KVRAF
- 4143 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
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- KVRist
- 44 posts since 24 Dec, 2004
This is bad, I don't know how Microsoft are allowed to collect info like this, it should be illegal.
In any case, you can get Window installer 3.1 for redistribution here:
http://www.softwarepatch.com/windows/wininstallnt.html
amongst other places.
In any case, you can get Window installer 3.1 for redistribution here:
http://www.softwarepatch.com/windows/wininstallnt.html
amongst other places.
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- KVRAF
- 8389 posts since 11 Apr, 2003 from back on the hillside again - but now with a garden!
..err.. there used to be a download which had the installation, Flavio must have taken it down (it ended up being about a 25Mb package!)
If you look on the Old Downloads Page you'll find build 1811 (v4.04) which doesn't require .net
This is the version I use. I don't want .net on my laptop, since it stuggles enough as it is without a kludge of a runtime library dormant in the background. It's on the better spec'd machine I have at work, but haven't done much music there.
Don't know when you registered, but v4 needs new reg codes.
It is a pain, but Flavio has obviously 'embraced the future' ahead of most other vendors. OTW, this can be applauded, no-one else appears to be 'future proofing' their applications this way just yet (time will come when 'old win32' stuff will only run in a concrete bunker); but as a programmer, I'm suspicious of M$..!
I love NTrack. I know it gets derided, but quite honestly after I tried demo of the latest cubase, it's ASIO driver crashed my laptop really badly, and it failed to do a proper VST scan. It limped along (when finally loaded) and just refused to be intuitive. I used to use PRO24 and the initial release of cubase back in the day (Atari day that is:)) and it was much better back then.. I've also tried a variety of other 'pro' and 'budget' apps, and for me NTrack and Podium are the only ones I actually like and find I can make music comfortably and without worrying how long I have until the next crash!
Well, there ya go. It's a shame that you had the experience you had, caleb, and tbh, I don't like to tell M$ skwat about waht is and isn't on my machine, my waist size, ages of children.. So that's a good link longimanus, ta!
DSP
If you look on the Old Downloads Page you'll find build 1811 (v4.04) which doesn't require .net
This is the version I use. I don't want .net on my laptop, since it stuggles enough as it is without a kludge of a runtime library dormant in the background. It's on the better spec'd machine I have at work, but haven't done much music there.
Don't know when you registered, but v4 needs new reg codes.
It is a pain, but Flavio has obviously 'embraced the future' ahead of most other vendors. OTW, this can be applauded, no-one else appears to be 'future proofing' their applications this way just yet (time will come when 'old win32' stuff will only run in a concrete bunker); but as a programmer, I'm suspicious of M$..!
I love NTrack. I know it gets derided, but quite honestly after I tried demo of the latest cubase, it's ASIO driver crashed my laptop really badly, and it failed to do a proper VST scan. It limped along (when finally loaded) and just refused to be intuitive. I used to use PRO24 and the initial release of cubase back in the day (Atari day that is:)) and it was much better back then.. I've also tried a variety of other 'pro' and 'budget' apps, and for me NTrack and Podium are the only ones I actually like and find I can make music comfortably and without worrying how long I have until the next crash!
Well, there ya go. It's a shame that you had the experience you had, caleb, and tbh, I don't like to tell M$ skwat about waht is and isn't on my machine, my waist size, ages of children.. So that's a good link longimanus, ta!
DSP
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4143 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia
Thanks for the link. Will look at that.
It was a long time ago version 2 or version 3 that I used nTrack. Just wanted to try out the demo and see if the midi editing is any better.
For audio it was a great application and I bet it still is - so bloody intuitive. I just hated the midi editing so much that I had to move on.
I would have thought future-proofing these days meant making a Linux version.
Caleb
It was a long time ago version 2 or version 3 that I used nTrack. Just wanted to try out the demo and see if the midi editing is any better.
For audio it was a great application and I bet it still is - so bloody intuitive. I just hated the midi editing so much that I had to move on.
I would have thought future-proofing these days meant making a Linux version.
Caleb
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
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- KVRAF
- 8389 posts since 11 Apr, 2003 from back on the hillside again - but now with a garden!
The misi editting has improved, but it still has it's limits. I've learnt my way around them pretty well, and once to accept what can and can't be done it's pretty good.
Linux? yip!
DSP
Linux? yip!
DSP
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- KVRAF
- 1740 posts since 6 Jan, 2004 from USA
honestly, and i hate to say this, i've moved on from ntrack. i loved that program at first. i pretty much do all audio and it was so easy to just hit record and go. there are always constant updates and the developer is very responsive.
but ever since i loaded up cubase le that came with my firepod, i haven't run ntrack (except to load older tunes) and now i've uninstalled it from my system. just generically speaking, it wasn't as stable anymore to me and the .NET thing just really turned me off. oh well, it got me into recording and i'll always remember that, but i finally had to let it go.........
lates
t-willy
but ever since i loaded up cubase le that came with my firepod, i haven't run ntrack (except to load older tunes) and now i've uninstalled it from my system. just generically speaking, it wasn't as stable anymore to me and the .NET thing just really turned me off. oh well, it got me into recording and i'll always remember that, but i finally had to let it go.........
lates
t-willy
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- KVRer
- 11 posts since 15 Mar, 2004 from Anchorage, AK
As a professional developer I can say .NET does *not* have the kludge that most associate with runtimes. Unless one is using actively using it, installing the .NET Framework will only take up hard disk space, as any other application would. There are many benefits to using a managed runtime, be it Java or .NET--for instance, a runtime provides a unified programming model that allows a developer to spend less time targetting specific platforms and more time developing an application that will work on any system the framework functions on. Performance-wise .NET reaches 95% of native compiled code.
The only thing the Microsoft "genuine Windows" program checks is your Windows product key; if you're using a legal version one has nothing to worry about.
As for Linux, check out Mono (www.go-mono.com), an open source, Unix implementation of the .NET Framework. I've written applications for Linux and moved them over to Windows with minimal effort using Mono. Flavio should be commended if he's moved nTrack's codebase over to .NET--it's a sign that nTrack could eventually move onto Linux boxes at some point in the future. I'd welcome that.
The only thing the Microsoft "genuine Windows" program checks is your Windows product key; if you're using a legal version one has nothing to worry about.
As for Linux, check out Mono (www.go-mono.com), an open source, Unix implementation of the .NET Framework. I've written applications for Linux and moved them over to Windows with minimal effort using Mono. Flavio should be commended if he's moved nTrack's codebase over to .NET--it's a sign that nTrack could eventually move onto Linux boxes at some point in the future. I'd welcome that.
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- KVRAF
- 8389 posts since 11 Apr, 2003 from back on the hillside again - but now with a garden!
Fairy nuff..
I'm a professional developer as well, and we have .net in some of our products; the one I'm on is straight win32.
My biggest bugbear with .net I suppose was the hype and fanfare that accompanied it's release, as if it was a golden panacea for all ills. err.. nope! It's just a class library, and probably the most extensive library ever released in one go (credit where credit is due). Most of the functions available are available in the win32api tho', they've just had a wrapper put around them.
OTW, I prefer to run native code, and whilst I know that M$ has quietly put out a linker that can do native code of sorts, .net is primarily a pcode thing. I know the ins and outs of portability, lala, etc. It's one of those things of 2 separate camps.. I know I will have to use .not at somepoint, but I'm happy not to just now!
It's that thing of when I want to format a string, I just want to pass a reference to a function.. not instantiate a string class, instantiate a string formatting class, let them hook up, and get an answer one day. o well..
DSP
I'm a professional developer as well, and we have .net in some of our products; the one I'm on is straight win32.
My biggest bugbear with .net I suppose was the hype and fanfare that accompanied it's release, as if it was a golden panacea for all ills. err.. nope! It's just a class library, and probably the most extensive library ever released in one go (credit where credit is due). Most of the functions available are available in the win32api tho', they've just had a wrapper put around them.
OTW, I prefer to run native code, and whilst I know that M$ has quietly put out a linker that can do native code of sorts, .net is primarily a pcode thing. I know the ins and outs of portability, lala, etc. It's one of those things of 2 separate camps.. I know I will have to use .not at somepoint, but I'm happy not to just now!
It's that thing of when I want to format a string, I just want to pass a reference to a function.. not instantiate a string class, instantiate a string formatting class, let them hook up, and get an answer one day. o well..
DSP