Peace for all ! In fact it seems that there are two steps :
First, do all what you can do in order to have a "clean machine" (hum... well-know XP tips and tricks (I insist)), make sure that some audio apps are working well (you can try many demos around there for that, including big elephants like Sonar, Cubase, Sam, ...).
Second step (AFTER the first one...): eXT still can't handle any audio without crackling... do you throw it away or do you try to search further ?
Why can't EXT handle ANY audio without crackling?
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- KVRist
- 229 posts since 24 Feb, 2004 from London
Don't forget the bigger picture. The simple fact is that eXT's performance has problems whereas almost every other audio application works faultlessly with both ASIO4ALL and the native Echo ASIO drivers on my system at least - I'm not alone. One other that doesn't being SynthMaker and it's ASIO implementation was based on Jorgen's ASIO code - again, I'm not alone.
Were it the case that many other applications failed to perform well I would be convinced there was some tweaking necessary or hardware issues to tackle however I firmly believe that is not the case here. Obviously there are some people around who do need to optimise their systems a bit which is what leads to a lot of the anecdotal solutions flying about that do of course help with some problems.
It'd be interesting to check P5v2 vs Echo ASIO but I don't have the time just now - two wrongs won't make a right I guess anyway
I spent a lot of time and energy investigating eXT performance problems 18 months ago - threads and priorties, etc. Around 12 month's later one line of code was added to the ASIO code directly addressing priorities that made a huge benefitial difference to eXT's performance all round. That was great when it finally happened - can't pretend I didn't want to bang my head on the desk though...
There might be multiple related issues around still or there might be one simple fundamental issue at the root - I'm just really hoping it'll get hit on the head one day soon!
Also really hoping Jorgen might actually read through this thread when he gets back online too because no matter how much useful stuff is in here if it's all buried for eternity then nothing will happen anyway - there's nobody else who'd going to investigate or fix it after all...
Were it the case that many other applications failed to perform well I would be convinced there was some tweaking necessary or hardware issues to tackle however I firmly believe that is not the case here. Obviously there are some people around who do need to optimise their systems a bit which is what leads to a lot of the anecdotal solutions flying about that do of course help with some problems.
It'd be interesting to check P5v2 vs Echo ASIO but I don't have the time just now - two wrongs won't make a right I guess anyway
I spent a lot of time and energy investigating eXT performance problems 18 months ago - threads and priorties, etc. Around 12 month's later one line of code was added to the ASIO code directly addressing priorities that made a huge benefitial difference to eXT's performance all round. That was great when it finally happened - can't pretend I didn't want to bang my head on the desk though...
There might be multiple related issues around still or there might be one simple fundamental issue at the root - I'm just really hoping it'll get hit on the head one day soon!
Also really hoping Jorgen might actually read through this thread when he gets back online too because no matter how much useful stuff is in here if it's all buried for eternity then nothing will happen anyway - there's nobody else who'd going to investigate or fix it after all...
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- KVRAF
- 3723 posts since 17 Apr, 2002 from Scotland
I think it says a lot for Jorgen that he has not deleted this thread. The thread title is pretty damning (and obviously untrue) and it's been around for months.
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- KVRist
- 166 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
I think Jorgen is on the right way,
if i'am right the prob is fixed or nearly for the echo users ?
Looks like it's more a tweaking task for Jorgen.
What could be painfull couse it's not very productive in sense of making the progi more feature ritch.
It's also obvious that this problems can have a lot of couses.
It could be the host,it could be the hardware(chipset,motherboard,soundcard,Gcard) and the drivers for it,it could be IRQ settings,it could be some
other software on the system. And it could be a combination of all that.
I'am not a scientist but i'am also not an occultist so i think still, if there are significant more probs with some soundcards, we should lock on that first(what means not that it is a foult of the card).
Then there are 'Einzelschicksale' also for shure, many notebooks make more trouble, but i think with other Daw's some notebooks also do more trouble.
But for shure sometimes i think maybe we are all wrong and the prob is coused by the 'dilithium crystals'.
P.S Rumors in the Galaxy, MS is the owner of all 'dilithium crystals' in the known galaxy
if i'am right the prob is fixed or nearly for the echo users ?
Looks like it's more a tweaking task for Jorgen.
What could be painfull couse it's not very productive in sense of making the progi more feature ritch.
It's also obvious that this problems can have a lot of couses.
It could be the host,it could be the hardware(chipset,motherboard,soundcard,Gcard) and the drivers for it,it could be IRQ settings,it could be some
other software on the system. And it could be a combination of all that.
I'am not a scientist but i'am also not an occultist so i think still, if there are significant more probs with some soundcards, we should lock on that first(what means not that it is a foult of the card).
Then there are 'Einzelschicksale' also for shure, many notebooks make more trouble, but i think with other Daw's some notebooks also do more trouble.
But for shure sometimes i think maybe we are all wrong and the prob is coused by the 'dilithium crystals'.
P.S Rumors in the Galaxy, MS is the owner of all 'dilithium crystals' in the known galaxy
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- KVRist
- 166 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
Hey IK_IK_IK don't hurt your self !!!
I can understand that this could be frustrating, but for jens i think it got better.
Maybe it would be good to have a sticky, with FAQ for audiopc's. And another sticky with 'i read the faq for audipc's and i still have problems'.
Then it would be less painfull for people that try to help.I think many people like to help, on the other hand i understand that it gose on your nervs if you have 5 times to hear 'Did you do a virus check ?,Did you plugged in your speakers?'
Greetings
Thomas
I can understand that this could be frustrating, but for jens i think it got better.
Maybe it would be good to have a sticky, with FAQ for audiopc's. And another sticky with 'i read the faq for audipc's and i still have problems'.
Then it would be less painfull for people that try to help.I think many people like to help, on the other hand i understand that it gose on your nervs if you have 5 times to hear 'Did you do a virus check ?,Did you plugged in your speakers?'
Greetings
Thomas
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- KVRist
- 229 posts since 24 Feb, 2004 from London
Heh, Thomas, it wasn't getting on my nerves that's for sure! I like to see people trying to help out others!ttwalter wrote:Hey IK_IK_IK don't hurt your self !!!
I can understand that this could be frustrating, but for jens i think it got better.
Maybe it would be good to have a sticky, with FAQ for audiopc's. And another sticky with 'i read the faq for audipc's and i still have problems'.
Then it would be less painfull for people that try to help.I think many people like to help, on the other hand i understand that it gose on your nervs if you have 5 times to hear 'Did you do a virus check ?,Did you plugged in your speakers?'
Personally I tend to avoid the endless tweaking stuff on these forums since I've been there done that, understand what's going on under the bonnet and how to investigate and solve those kind of things, etc. But, as I said, it is helpful to other people which is why I don't jump on people offering those kind of helpful tips.
I'm just trying to get to the root of what I think is an ongoing fundamental issue in eXT standalone which too often gets buried in a lot of anecdotal tweaking stuff. I think that dilution is why a lot of people who do have performance concerns fade away or stuff just gets lost or it takes twelve months after a lot of investigation to lead to a line of code being added to improve the performance...
...or that eXT works just fine with ASIO4ALL and is so fresh and so inspirational that it's not worth the energy in the meantime
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- KVRist
- 198 posts since 3 Jan, 2004
here here. jorgen = wise pimp.scuzzphut wrote:I think it says a lot for Jorgen that he has not deleted this thread. The thread title is pretty damning (and obviously untrue) and it's been around for months.
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- KVRist
- 166 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
Hey ik_ik_ik,
i was more thinking on Jens, i think he is a nice person from the posts he did. But in this thread he reacted imho a little let's say 'not so cool as he realy is'.And i can understand his point.
I don't know if this is realy a fundamental design problem imho it looks more like a tweaking problem for Jorgen. For me this thread is realy impressive couse it shows that eXT users are not only consumers. They realy like to improve the product. My wish would be to stabilize eXT(not in the sence of craches it's solid here, more in the sence of making it more homogene) and then more features. Make it more userfriendly, than go on with more features.
i was more thinking on Jens, i think he is a nice person from the posts he did. But in this thread he reacted imho a little let's say 'not so cool as he realy is'.And i can understand his point.
I don't know if this is realy a fundamental design problem imho it looks more like a tweaking problem for Jorgen. For me this thread is realy impressive couse it shows that eXT users are not only consumers. They realy like to improve the product. My wish would be to stabilize eXT(not in the sence of craches it's solid here, more in the sence of making it more homogene) and then more features. Make it more userfriendly, than go on with more features.
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- KVRAF
- 25009 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
ttwalter wrote:Hey ik_ik_ik,
i was more thinking on Jens, i think he is a nice person from the posts he did. But in this thread he reacted imho a little let's say 'not so cool as he really is'.And i can understand his point.
point taken - thanks for understanding! 
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- KVRian
- 1024 posts since 25 Apr, 2002
Hello, I encouter crackles in the audio with both an Echo Layla24 laptop and a M-Audio 410FW.
Last night while trying to record a friend, it kept stuttering and cracking after a few bars into the song. I increased the cards buffer, and it helped a bit but not much. i disabled my background desktop pic and it helped alot, to the point where i could record about 5 minutes of audio with no problem but after 5 minutes, it would start to crackle again. 80% of the times it crackled, it wouldn't affect the recorded audio. This are the specs on the machine I used last night:
P4 1.6
512mb Ram
20 gig HD 5,400 fully defragged
40 gig HD 7,200 external firewire, fully defragged
M-Audio 410 FW
Windows XP fully optimized with many services disabled and using a hardware profile that disables hardware not needed.
Latest eXT beta
Last night while trying to record a friend, it kept stuttering and cracking after a few bars into the song. I increased the cards buffer, and it helped a bit but not much. i disabled my background desktop pic and it helped alot, to the point where i could record about 5 minutes of audio with no problem but after 5 minutes, it would start to crackle again. 80% of the times it crackled, it wouldn't affect the recorded audio. This are the specs on the machine I used last night:
P4 1.6
512mb Ram
20 gig HD 5,400 fully defragged
40 gig HD 7,200 external firewire, fully defragged
M-Audio 410 FW
Windows XP fully optimized with many services disabled and using a hardware profile that disables hardware not needed.
Latest eXT beta
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- KVRian
- 1024 posts since 25 Apr, 2002
Mobility Radeon AGP, 32mb
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- KVRAF
- 2544 posts since 14 Sep, 2003 from Essex
HI
I haven't followed this thread for a while but all I can say is - people are still having 'MIDI TIMING ISSUES IN SXV3' - which have been around for not months but I believe years!
Sometimes an issue for a few users (and I know it sux) just aren't going to be fixed easily or maybe, even ... ever?
A small developer is not going to have access to a dozen different pc's with a broad range of all the potential permutations of hardware.
Having just read a few of the newer posts it appears that some people might have less popular soundcards, old soundcards, lack of ram ect.
Flipper.
I haven't followed this thread for a while but all I can say is - people are still having 'MIDI TIMING ISSUES IN SXV3' - which have been around for not months but I believe years!
Sometimes an issue for a few users (and I know it sux) just aren't going to be fixed easily or maybe, even ... ever?
A small developer is not going to have access to a dozen different pc's with a broad range of all the potential permutations of hardware.
Having just read a few of the newer posts it appears that some people might have less popular soundcards, old soundcards, lack of ram ect.
Flipper.
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- KVRian
- 1024 posts since 25 Apr, 2002
there is also the chance that correcting something like the SX MIDI timing issue may not be under Steinberg's list of priorities (i use Steinberg as an example). i'm Jorgen will find a solution if he makes this issue a high priority. a problem like this should not be ignored, even if it has to do with different hardware, when you have other applications that do the same plus a whole lot more and have tons or more feature, and perform better.