Auto Wah Wah?
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
You can't easily with the free version. If I remember correctly, the commercial version has auto capability.
It COULD be accomplished in a convoluted way, though. I'm afraid it's a bad idea for me to even post the suggestion because without referring to specific plug-ins and giving you download links it might not prove helpful. However, I'll ignore my own internal voice and say:
- an Auto Wah is just an envelope follower with a filter. Or in layman's terms: it responds to the fluctuations in the 'volume' of your guitar signal (the attack, decay, sustain, and release; ie. an envelope), so that it's the guitar's signal that's "pressing the wah pedal".
So, to use any filter (not just Coyote Wah) this way, you'd need a plug-in that was an envelope follower and maps itself into a MIDI CC or VST Automation. Then the 'envelope follower' plug-in's output would be linked to the same MIDI CC that the Coyote (for example, like I said, it doesn't have to be the Coyote) uses for pedal control.
Basically, you need a plug-in that will control another plug-in, based on the guitar signal's envelope.
I've never done it from scratch, so like I said, I have no links for you or more specific advice.
HOWEVER,
I've always had good auto-wah luck with the Green Wah by Wurr Audio:
Wurr Audio's freeware
It's also included as a component in their excellent Green Machine Amp II.
Greg
It COULD be accomplished in a convoluted way, though. I'm afraid it's a bad idea for me to even post the suggestion because without referring to specific plug-ins and giving you download links it might not prove helpful. However, I'll ignore my own internal voice and say:
- an Auto Wah is just an envelope follower with a filter. Or in layman's terms: it responds to the fluctuations in the 'volume' of your guitar signal (the attack, decay, sustain, and release; ie. an envelope), so that it's the guitar's signal that's "pressing the wah pedal".
So, to use any filter (not just Coyote Wah) this way, you'd need a plug-in that was an envelope follower and maps itself into a MIDI CC or VST Automation. Then the 'envelope follower' plug-in's output would be linked to the same MIDI CC that the Coyote (for example, like I said, it doesn't have to be the Coyote) uses for pedal control.
Basically, you need a plug-in that will control another plug-in, based on the guitar signal's envelope.
I've never done it from scratch, so like I said, I have no links for you or more specific advice.
HOWEVER,
I've always had good auto-wah luck with the Green Wah by Wurr Audio:
Wurr Audio's freeware
It's also included as a component in their excellent Green Machine Amp II.
Greg
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Just noticed this is in the Elevayta Forum.
Why is it in the Elevayta Forum?
Why is it in the Elevayta Forum?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 114 posts since 10 Dec, 2004 from poland
I tryed AutoMidi CC from http://www.frettedsynth.com
but without result even that Thay says it will work with others vst plugins.Just I start to be angry...
but without result even that Thay says it will work with others vst plugins.Just I start to be angry...
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Ah, that should work! Your host might not support it, though.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
By default, I don't think that MIDI plug-ins in tracktion pass along their MIDI data to the next plug-in. You're better off putting the FrettedSynth one and the Coyote both in a rack and doing it that way. I'll see if I can get them to work (now that you've provided links) and I'll post a screen-shot.
Greg
Greg
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Well, I don't think Coyote will let you do it. It's ONLY looking for external devices (ie. a foot-controller). I told myself, "bah, who cares, it doesn't know the difference between a signal sent by hardware and one sent by software", but I can't see any way to do it.
To double-check to make sure I'm not going crazy, I hooked up a plug-in that I KNOW will respond to MIDI CC (BetabugsAudio SVF2), and it worked exactly as I thought it should work.
Coyote Free simply doesn't have that 'slider' available for control with CC. It's weird. I still think that it SHOULD work but I'm just doing something wrong....
It's not that I don't know "how" (I got SVF2 going within a few seconds), but I can't help but feel I'm clicking something 'just wrong'. I can see why you're going crazy.
Greg
To double-check to make sure I'm not going crazy, I hooked up a plug-in that I KNOW will respond to MIDI CC (BetabugsAudio SVF2), and it worked exactly as I thought it should work.
Coyote Free simply doesn't have that 'slider' available for control with CC. It's weird. I still think that it SHOULD work but I'm just doing something wrong....
It's not that I don't know "how" (I got SVF2 going within a few seconds), but I can't help but feel I'm clicking something 'just wrong'. I can see why you're going crazy.
Greg
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
It's not Fretted's problem, it's Coyote's. Fretted's product is working exactly as they say it should work. Write to Coyote and ask them how to set the Frequency control to respond to a MIDI CC other than one sent by an external device. (ie. from another plug-in or from a MIDI automation curve)
There are 3 options. I'll go backwards, from what's in the manual:
- Controller Value. (ie. which CC#). By default, it is 71. Fine, we'll use 71. Audio-to-CC plug-in should be changed to "channel 71".
- Channel #. Be default, it listens to ALL MIDI channels, so the Audio-to-CC plug-in's "channel" shouldn't matter, which is good since you can't actually assign one.
- MIDI device. Here's the problem, I'm quite certain. It asks you to choose one of your PHYSICAL MIDI ports, or "No Midi". There's no option for "sent from host" or "No Physical Device" or anything like that. It's ONLY going to let you pick one of your physical MIDI ports.
I tried tricking it using MIDI Yoke, but it's beyond my current level of wakefulness (or lack thereof) to suss it out.
In the meatime, I think you should try Green Wah and see if it meets your needs.
Greg
There are 3 options. I'll go backwards, from what's in the manual:
- Controller Value. (ie. which CC#). By default, it is 71. Fine, we'll use 71. Audio-to-CC plug-in should be changed to "channel 71".
- Channel #. Be default, it listens to ALL MIDI channels, so the Audio-to-CC plug-in's "channel" shouldn't matter, which is good since you can't actually assign one.
- MIDI device. Here's the problem, I'm quite certain. It asks you to choose one of your PHYSICAL MIDI ports, or "No Midi". There's no option for "sent from host" or "No Physical Device" or anything like that. It's ONLY going to let you pick one of your physical MIDI ports.
I tried tricking it using MIDI Yoke, but it's beyond my current level of wakefulness (or lack thereof) to suss it out.
In the meatime, I think you should try Green Wah and see if it meets your needs.
Greg
Last edited by Lunch Money on Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:34 am, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Classic somehow doesn't end up sounding like a guitar-wah with the presets available; however, it's flexible enough that with some work, you should be able to get it to sound good!
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 114 posts since 10 Dec, 2004 from poland
I stopped with Coyote, Im too much tired.
Good result I have with AutoMidi plus Wah ML from Fretted.They are working perfect.So it's a pity,
Coyote offered JH Wah, he he he !!!Thanks to all for helped me
Zmora
Good result I have with AutoMidi plus Wah ML from Fretted.They are working perfect.So it's a pity,
Coyote offered JH Wah, he he he !!!Thanks to all for helped me
Zmora
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
The Coyote wah models are very nice-sounding, that's for sure. I suppose if they end up being useful enough, you could spring the $25, which is surely a steal for a good-sounding wah, and get the version with auto.
A thought, and a question that I should have asked to begin with:
Do you REALLY want auto mode specifically? Auto-wah is an effect that doesn't end up actually sounding like wah. If you're after a JH sound, you need to control that wah yourself! If you don't have a foot-pedal, that's fine, just do it with your mouse! Here's how, in Tracktion:
- Insert an instance of Coyote Wah on the track you want to wah.
- Press "automation record" in the transport area, near the normal "record" and "play" buttons. It's the one with an "A" beside it, and is disabled by default.
- Make sure the Coyote GUI is visible because you're going to click on it and mouse over it in a second! Lock it in place just to be sure, using the "Lock" button.
- Give yourself a measure in advance so that you can mentally and physically prepare to start "wah"-ing.
- Press the normal "Play" button to start playing your track.
- With the mouse, click onto the wah frequency slider in Coyote, and use your mouse to go up and down as if you were using an actual wah pedal. If you're doing wah properly, it shouldn't be on every note (as an auto-wah will do) anyhow.
When you're done, disarm the automation record button (so that you don't accidentally make other automation curves in other tracks ) and make sure that the automation "play" button (right beside the automation record button) IS armed so that you can hear it. (it'll be armed already by default).
Apologies in advance if you already know how to record automation in Tracktion, or if it's truly the unique sound of an AUTO-wah that you're after.
Greg
I suppose if they end up being useful enough, you could spring the $25, which is surely a steal for a good-sounding wah, and get the version with auto.A thought, and a question that I should have asked to begin with:
Do you REALLY want auto mode specifically? Auto-wah is an effect that doesn't end up actually sounding like wah. If you're after a JH sound, you need to control that wah yourself! If you don't have a foot-pedal, that's fine, just do it with your mouse! Here's how, in Tracktion:
- Insert an instance of Coyote Wah on the track you want to wah.
- Press "automation record" in the transport area, near the normal "record" and "play" buttons. It's the one with an "A" beside it, and is disabled by default.
- Make sure the Coyote GUI is visible because you're going to click on it and mouse over it in a second! Lock it in place just to be sure, using the "Lock" button.
- Give yourself a measure in advance so that you can mentally and physically prepare to start "wah"-ing.
- Press the normal "Play" button to start playing your track.
- With the mouse, click onto the wah frequency slider in Coyote, and use your mouse to go up and down as if you were using an actual wah pedal. If you're doing wah properly, it shouldn't be on every note (as an auto-wah will do) anyhow.
When you're done, disarm the automation record button (so that you don't accidentally make other automation curves in other tracks ) and make sure that the automation "play" button (right beside the automation record button) IS armed so that you can hear it. (it'll be armed already by default).
Apologies in advance if you already know how to record automation in Tracktion, or if it's truly the unique sound of an AUTO-wah that you're after.
Greg