Quik Quak RaySpace Best Reverb Ever?

[hifiboom]

convolution is the only way to go...

convolution is a nice toy .... but nothing for real buisness.

Too static sounding...

[Stupid American Pig]

I will stick to my toys then, enjoy yerself.

[whyterabbyt]

convolution is a nice toy .... but nothing for real buisness.

Too static sounding...

Funny that Quik Quak seems to use it then...

"RaySpace is the worlds first reverb with a real-time impulse response designer"

Arent Impulse Responses kind of intrinsic to Convolution?

[wonder6oy]

Yup. That's Convolution all right.

This forum is hilarious.

[hifiboom]

i thought it was based on raytracing....

every reverb does generate an impulse response... that doesn`t mean its using convolution...

[whyterabbyt]

i thought it was based on raytracing....

Yes. Just like Impulse Modeler by Voxengo. It uses raytracing to create an impulse response which is then usable in a convolution process. IM creates an IR for use in another program; RaySpace appears to generate it for its own engine.

every reverb does generate an impulse response... that doesn`t mean its using convolution...

No, reverbs dont generate impulse responses. If you send a DIRAC spike or somesuch through a reverb you can obtain its impulse response, but that's different from what you are saying.

[hifiboom]

i thought it was based on raytracing....

Yes. Just like Impulse Modeler by Voxengo. It uses raytracing to create an impulse response which is then usable in a convolution process. IM creates an IR for use in another program; RaySpace appears to generate it for its own engine.

every reverb does generate an impulse response... that doesn`t mean its using convolution...

No, reverbs dont generate impulse responses. If you send a DIRAC spike or somesuch through a reverb you can obtain its impulse response, but that's different from what you are saying.

okay whatever,

I think it sounds very nice for its price and it can do the job much better than many other tools that are on market...

If you want a super-smooth reverb take another one, but if you like realistic room/hall creation its fantastic sounding...

Its true that its fluttering with extremly short signals, but you won`t hear this in a mix, and hey its version 1.8, and this plug-in did get soo much better over the last month. The programmer has some serious skill in programming plug-ins. I have also emailed him and he did implement many features I requested...

I`m sure he is able to sort out the fluttering with short sounds, too.

There are so many vst plug-in reverbs out, many of them claim to be professional and cost much money but don`t get the right sound in a mix...

This one looks like a toy, but hey it has nice sound, sits perfect in the mix and just don`t cost too much...

[friteuse]

you are right you can hear fluttering with very short sognals and quikQuak... But thats not the point..

You all are searching for smooth sounding reverb, and than you wonder why the reverb does not fit into the mix perfectly... it sounds like an FX behind your music... All impulse response reverbs, I tried, sound like an extra fx behind the sound. I hate that....

Sometimes I like this, sometimes that... I like to have the option

But you're right - a too dense reverb can destroy a mix, but when it's getting critical, I prefer using delays...

Smooth reverb has nothing to do with realistic room simulation... Go into a real room and clap in your hands and you ll also hear some fluttering... that is realistic...

This strongly depends from the room. Normaly, the echos you can hear in a natural room are the eraly reflections, not fluttering echos. I don't know what rooms you've been, but for me, only "bad" rooms have fluttering echos (parallel walls etc.). So, I agree, they exist and therefore we can assume they are realistic, but they are often not desired.

What Quik Quak doews much better than any other:

-generating deep reverbs, that sound far away....
-get part of the original signal ( I can easily divorce the fx from the dry output from all other vst reverbs)
-have no special fx to make the sound smooth
( I can easily hear the chorus FX in many reverbs to make it sound better, you can also hear it on the ArtsAcoustic and Wizoo)

So you guys think a reverb tool sound smooth, so you will be putting a chorus_reverb combination on every sound you use it on.

AFAIK, the Wizoo dont uses modulation. At ArtsAcoustic, you can turn this off. Btw, the Pitch Bend feature on RaySpace is similar feature to what you mean.

With smooth tails, I did not mean chorused tails at all, you just interpreted it wrong. With smooth tails I mean tails, I can use on percusive signals without hearing nasty unnatural flutter (and the fluttering of RaySpace is quiet unnatural imho).
Chorus does not smooth out fluttering echos, but resonances...

What I meant to say:

Try the reverb tools in the mix, and you ll see which one is better...

This is what I always do, believe me.

[Frippertronix]

Re: Ray Space I found it a little metallic sounding but some of the tight room/slapback effects really worked well for synth. For the very reasonable asking price, I might take it.

[hifiboom]

don't know what rooms you've been, but for me, only "bad" rooms have fluttering echos (parallel walls etc.).

nearly ever room I know has parallel walls... what do you mean... and of course:

you never listen to a real room exactly? of course it has hard sounding resonances, etc... and can give you echos....
but it is nearly never never total smooth....
believe me!!!

Try the reverb tools in the mix, and you ll see which one is better...

This is what I always do, believe me.

An ultra smoothed out reverb will never sound good in a mix,
only if you use it as single reverb fx, for example you are producing a balad, and give the vocal a strong smooth reverb,
but with percussive insturments your whole mix will sound muddy and unrealistic because the "smooth" reverb tail doen`t sound realistic... believe me... and try it out

But you won`t believe me, so you use ur chorus optimized reverb tool, while I use mine...

Have fun...

[whyterabbyt]

An ultra smoothed out reverb will never sound good in a mix,

You say that as though there's only one universal standard of what 'good in a mix' actually means. But that's bullshit.

[hifiboom]

An ultra smoothed out reverb will never sound good in a mix,

You say that as though there's only one universal standard of what 'good in a mix' actually means. But that's bullshit.

no its just my personal opinion, and and ignorant person like you just don`t accept it! I have tried all vst reverbs, and none did convince me.

And the convolution reverbs also do not sound like the real thing, I miss some transients and the movement of real hardware...

while this tool somethimes has some "bad resonances" it just sound good in a mix.
I did not say this reverb is perfect....

whats the problem?

[fritzman]

Hi hifiboom,

do you have some music online? I would like to hear the reverbs in your music.


Best wishes, FRitz

[fritzman]

An ultra smoothed out reverb will never sound good in a mix,

You say that as though there's only one universal standard of what 'good in a mix' actually means. But that's bullshit.

no its just my personal opinion, and and ignorant person like you just don`t accept it! I have tried all vst reverbs, and none did convince me.

Hi hifiboom,

you know, there's a difference between "It is!" and "I THINK it is!"
That has nothing to do with ingorance. The opposite is true.


Best wishes, FRitz

[hifiboom]

I am not sure if you like the kind of sound I produce... its more trance....and you seem to be mor in the metal department...

but you live in the same country ... cheers

And all I said is what I THINK ....