post-Muzys: Jo's three questions

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Z3R0T0N1N wrote:i don't think i understand this at all. Muzys was the best out there, bar none.
Agreed! Luckily I was able to purchase a license from a bloke after Muzys was off the market. I still use it for doing some live stuff (with the Loop Pools it's a blast to use and easier than trying to do something similar in either FLS or eXT).

But at this point I must say... "JO LIVES?!?"
Shit... I thought he done jumped off a bridge or something after a split with a supermodel the way Muzys vanished from the scene.

That said I would love to see Muzys make a comeback with a few of the features we know it could use (hard-disk streaming #1 if you release a sequencer). I think it would be a hit on OSX but the PC market is so flooded now in the sequencer market. Who knows, maybe Linux would be an avenue (I'd rather take a souped up cheap Linux laptop to a gig than a $2k Titanium Powerbook)?

Considering it's late '05 a Muzys type tool focusing on live work (expanded Playroom and Loop Pool) with the integrated Muzynth, beat-slicer and mixer would be nice. But instead of including a Song Pool with focus on the 'Studio' concept include an 'algorythmic groove generator' which would allow for composers to whip up fractal type gruvs on-the-fly and route them thru Muzynth or loaded VSTi's. Seems like you should focus on a specialized power app of some sort (I would say something more akin to TERA with it's uber-synths and built-in sequencer) rather than creating another "all-in-one" studio (too many on the market and apps like Podium are the next level of studio sequencers).

I think some kind of video integration would be groovy as well. VJing isn't popular in the States but there should be a market for it in European scene.

Muzys had such good workflow that it makes sense to build on that. What we need as computer musicians are stable hosts rather than more plug-ins (I'm plug-ined out!).
A host with "dynamic live smarts" (ability to decrease voice count in VSTs, freeze/unfreeze audio streams, etc) to keep from crashing on stage would be nice.

Ok, thinking about it here's an idea, release Muzynth as a standalone VST as a 1st step. I'm sure there are ppl who would pay $100+ for a semi-modular synth-sampler which loads .wav, .aif, & .sf2 formats + has microtuning tables and a battery of built-in FX.

Make available a large Muzynth preset/sample set which is backwards compatible with Muzys 3+ (that would build a little good faith for those of us who feel "dumped" and stuck with our current version).

If that goes well then release a 'live' sequencing product (name it something cool like `Mutatis`) with all the benefits of Muzys (great workflow, Player zones, Pools, mixer, etc), offer an upgrade price to purchasers of Muzynth (which would naturally integrate with said sequencer) and build from there.

Stick with your strengths; the power of Muzynth and the workflow of Muzys and you'll do ok.

Most of all think about your business model and the price + # of units sold it will take to stay in business.

Thanks for making a comeback Jo!!
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yes, but can't someone tell me why Muzys can't just come back? if the deal fell though, what is stopping it?
I know it can't be that simple, but i am really curious if there is some possibility of this?
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No one can say apparently, but I'm guessing who ever bought out the rights probably would rather keep the technology for themselves for future product development based on those technologies (who knows, chances are there are things out there already with Muzys code in them).

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oh, so they actually bought the code. rats!
i was afraid that might be the case, but i was still hoping.
sigh.....
what a terrible terrible waste. It was really the best around IMHO, and it's stuck forever at v3, with only a handful of licenses floating around.
It makes me really unhappy. If only i had been just a bit quicker, i could have owned a functional copy.
I would like to give whoever bought the code then dropped out a damn good thrashing. It's just f**king garbage, man. :mad: :mad: :mad:
bullshit.
crap.

:evil:

If i ever get my hands on a copy i will hack it and publish the source just to f**k the person who "owns" that bit of knowledge.
Here's the thing, unless they are going to release a muzys-alike host, WTF is the point of hording the code like some f**king corporate version of Gollum?
makes me f**king sick, that kind of shit.
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Don't hold back!
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The decission has been taken: There will come a new Digital Audio Sequencer Host :)

More info: http://www.mutools.com

Also check out Trapaki's beautiful "Heaven"!

Cheers,

Jo

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well, well...

How interesting!

hmm...

I expect a MuTron bombshell to arrive soon then!

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hope it will have decent step recording ..

fyi, just think of it like you think of writing on your querty keyboard, but just a bit extended ..

i mean .. remember the functionalities with the arrow keys, backspace/delete, shifts etc etc etc .. but a seq of course has to have more ..

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muzycian wrote:The decission has been taken: There will come a new Digital Audio Sequencer Host :)
Are you allowed to retain file-format compatibility with CMuzys and Muzys..?

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oh, and i didn't mean that the operations /shold be made with the arrow keys/ .. i ment that you should remember why we have those keys on our qwerty keyboard ...

muzys was /the/ seq that had the best feeling from the start, /of them all/ (believe me, i've tested pretty much all seq's) ... but it didn't have my beloved feature, step recording ..

so plz, don't make the same mistake again =)

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moonlite - although I don't use step recording, I have to agree with you on how it should "feel". I think navigating around most step sequencers is what makes me have no reason to use them. If it was as easy as typing in words (for me - I touchtype), then I might find it useful. Normally it's easier to play a piece then edit with the mouse. However it worked, it would mean not having to reach for the mouse just to do things like cut-n-paste, "overtyping", inserting extra space/silence and so on. Good visual feedback is equally important (he says as Firefox Trunk starts losing the cursor in input boxes... "bleedin' edge", y'know we love it...
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I think the decision is excellent news! :-D

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Oh, and Jo -- I notice you said "Audio Sequencer". I take it that it will do MIDI excellently, as well? :D

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... There will come a new Digital Audio Sequencer Host :)
:hyper: :hyper: :hyper: And midi?? :hyper: :hyper:
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pljones wrote:Oh, and Jo -- I notice you said "Audio Sequencer". I take it that it will do MIDI excellently, as well? :D
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... There will come a new Digital Audio Sequencer Host :)
:hyper: :hyper: :hyper: And midi?? :hyper: :hyper:
Jeez guys, why don't you simply follow his link? :?
muzycian wrote:The decission has been taken: There will come a new Digital Audio Sequencer Host :)

More info: http://www.mutools.com
in the first version we'll come up with all the basic stuff like audio and midi playback and recording, VST instruments and effects, automation, sequence editing, audio mixdown, import-export midifiles, and (much) more...

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