KVR Audio

scam_artist · Post by **scam_artist** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:36 am

does anyone else have any idea about my mono output question? cheers

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:13 am

I totally agree that a chorus effect should not always be full stereo. Often I want a mono chorus effect, and it's really unprofessional when they don't have a width parameter. I use the Cubase SX Surround Mixer as a plugin to mono-ise an unwanted stereo effect. You could also use the dual panners and drop the fader to compensate.

Seriously - checkout the Ag-works chorus. It doesn't have a GUI (but who needs a GUI). It blows away both Kjaerhus and Voxengo choruses - has a Width control, and it's free.

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:21 am

And for the record, I like Kjaerhus and Voxengo products. I appreciate their quality and price point, and they fact that they don't burden their customers with PACE and challenge/response and all that crap.

BUT - I think they get too much adulation, and unless they get feedback about what pisses us of, they won't change. It is NEVER a good marketing idea to piss on your existing customers. It's always better to keep them happy, while at the same time gaining new customers. That's not that hard to do. They could email existing customers will special upgrade deals that nobody else needs to know about. That way they would get some more money, and RAVE reviews that would induce new customers to purchase.

Instead, they get ME (and the other grumpy ex-customers). Not good for business.

Majken · Post by **Majken** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:30 am

Jens: Never ever buy software for what it may become and never ever trust update plans. Buy it for what it is and what it does. If it's not worth the money the developer is asking at the time you're buying it, then don't buy it.

/Majken

Aleksey Vaneev · Post by **Aleksey Vaneev** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:52 am

scam_artist, using F.Mono will force plug-in to work in mono, but with stereo output (mono signal will be double mono - equal signal in both left and right channel), chorus will be also very thick - 8 operators instead of 4 per channel when working in stereo. In->Mono switch is just a quick tool to convert stereo signal into mono.

scam_artist · Post by **scam_artist** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:46 am

greendoor wrote:I
Seriously - checkout the Ag-works chorus. It doesn't have a GUI (but who needs a GUI). It blows away both Kjaerhus and Voxengo choruses - has a Width control, and it's free.

Thanks I'll give it a go

scam_artist · Post by **scam_artist** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:47 am

Aleksey Vaneev wrote:scam_artist, using F.Mono will force plug-in to work in mono, but with stereo output (mono signal will be double mono - equal signal in both left and right channel), chorus will be also very thick - 8 operators instead of 4 per channel when working in stereo. In->Mono switch is just a quick tool to convert stereo signal into mono.

Thanks, that makes sense, I'll be trying the demo for this as well

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:20 am

greendoor wrote:The thing about hardware is that the design is perfected before the unit is sold, and you buy it and enjoy it as long as you want.

You hope.

Ever see reviews of the Fizmo when it came out?

The thing about software is that developers (copying Microsoft etc) have got into this lazy/greedy habit of releasing products before they are ready, and expecting their customers to perform the final beta testing.

Thats a skewed perception. Often these things are tested as much as it is possible. But if you expect developers to be able to test every single combination of software and hardware, and you're never going to see those products get out the door.

What you do see, though, from the good developers, are constant bugfixes, often with the benefit of updates. Free updates. A lot of people conveniently forget that aspect of it, even with developers like Aleksey who are constantly improving their plugins.

Also (because of Microsoft etc), platforms are constantly changing.

Actually, MS are much better about backwards-compatibility than (say) Apple. Its part and parcel of the reason Windows is so frigging big...

So when I buy a piece of software, I am very aware that I am buying into an upgrade path (as much as I hate that necessary evil).

Not necessarily. Update path maybe.

That's why I am very, very angry when a software developer pulls the plug on an upgrade path that I have invested into. This is why I hate Emagic/Apple - they have screwed me out of $2000, no question about it.

Well, thats understandable annoyance, but did anything stop working?

If you buy hardware, and they stopmupdating the firmware and cancel it, have you been 'ripped off'?

Or is it a different perception?

A happy customer will tell their friends about a good vendor. A ripped-off customer wants to tell the world.

And sometimes,someone who hasnt been 'ripped off' at all, but thinks they have an entitlement beyond that which they are being offered, thinks they get to 'tell the world' as well. And skews the story into the bargain.

I dont remember it being part of one's civil rights that one is entitles to a discount on a product from a company just because one already owns something by them which does something similar. You don't get a discount on a Kenwood blender just because you own one of their food mixers.

cptgone · Post by **cptgone** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:25 am

greendoor wrote:I have a similar annoyance with Kjaerhus, because he hasn't added Side Chain to his "flagship" compressor.

IIRC he said he will.

Voxengo Vintage Modulator VST 1.3 released