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ttoz wrote:
Ben [Camel Audio] wrote: perhaps another subtle bank would be the most useful thing to add.
yep :D
Okey dokey - I'll bare that in mind. Feel free to speak up if there's anyone else who has an opinion on what extra CamelSpace presets they'd like.

Mind you, this is dependent on the GB reaching another 100 points - of which I think there's a very good chance. None the less, if anyone fancies bumping a thread or two on other forums, it will help it along :) If we make it to that target, it'll also mean a third of CamelPhat and CamelSpace and more off Cameleon.
http://logic-users.org/groupbuy/camel

Ben
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Yeah I have both and they are an absolute delight.

I'm wondering, I thought I read somewhere about more presets for these guys. Is there somewhere to go to get "em???

burger
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-----Call me slow, and maybe this isn't the #1 spot to ask about this, but some slightly more basic and straight ahead instructions for programming the multi-effect step edit part of CamelSpace would be very helpful. I just don't feel like I am making the best of use of it, in the right way, not knowing/understanding exactly how the controls interact, like how the *length* control corresponds to the 1-8 patterns etc.
----Also, I'm wondering if a CamelSpace-like gate step edit control for the effects in CamelPhat is coming soon ? If I knew that was coming, I'd sign up for CamelPhat tonight.

Jeff
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Yeah I have both and they are an absolute delight. I'm wondering, I thought I read somewhere about more presets for these guys. Is there somewhere to go to get "em???
All registered users should have received an email with the CamelSpace v1.15 and CamelPhat v3.15 updates, together with a link to the new soundbank from Tim Conrardy, which you can also get off the community page of our website. Also, since the v1.1 version the plugins now come with 196 presets each (3 banks of 64).
some slightly more basic and straight ahead instructions for programming the multi-effect step edit part of CamelSpace would be very helpful.
Have you read the manual on this section? The chaining together of multiple patterns is the one aspect where a read of the manual is necessary. In the first instace, I would recommend just playing around with one pattern. To do that choose the reset from the preset drop down menu. Then if you want to try gating effects, turn on the trance gate button and have a play.

I'll certainly consider adding a tutorial to our website on this aspect. I may also consider a little screengrabbed tutorial. Please let me know if you think one or other would be useful, or if you have any other comments on what tutorials would be handy.
Also, I'm wondering if a CamelSpace-like gate step edit control for the effects in CamelPhat is coming soon ?
I don't have plans to do that imminently, but I will consider it for the future.

Remember that you can always stack CamelSpace up and then CamelPhat or visa versa to achieve cool effects, and allow you to use the step seq in combination with CamelPhats phattening abilities.

Also, remember that you can use the LFOs - try choosing a square or ramp down wave going to Master Volume for trance gate like effects - set the depth to full and turn sync on and play with the rate. And try a trandom triangle going to filter cutoff for cool evolving filtery stuff.

BTW. The group buy is going well - we're 10 points off Cameleon at a 36% discount ($127) and CamelSpace/CamelPhat at a 30% ($59).
http://logic-users.org/groupbuy/camel

Thanks
Ben
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The new Tim Conrardy bank for CamelSpace is very very useful stuff! He said himself that it was a sort of bread'n'butter bank, and I have to agree.. Instead of "just" using CamelSpace for the more extraordinary effects, I now also use CamelSpace when I just need a little reverb or a delay. We're really talking essential gear here. :)
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Ben [Camel Audio] wrote:Have you read the manual on this section? The chaining together of multiple patterns is the one aspect where a read of the manual is necessary. In the first instace, I would recommend just playing around with one pattern. To do that choose the reset from the preset drop down menu. Then if you want to try gating effects, turn on the trance gate button and have a play.


----I did read the .pdf manual, and am still a bit confused really, not that the manual was bad or anything, just that this multiple pattern, multiple effect controller is a bit tough to figure out exactly.
----When I set the *Length*, that tells me what in relation to the step sequencer ? For instance : if I'm using an 8 bar loop, then setting the *Length* control to 8/1 will give me individual control over each full note step of the loop via the step sequencer settings ? Where-as setting it for 4/1 with an 8 bar loop would allow me to manipulate the loop in half note steps then ? And if I choose *TGATE* for all 8 of the step sequencer patterns and set them differently, then it will run through them all for 8 bars before repeating the 1st pattern ? What if I set the first 4 patterns for *TGATE*, and then 2 for *Filter*, and 2 for *Pan*, how long until it repeats from the start again ?
----Sorry if this seems like overly basic, but I just want to make sure I understand it so i can use it to the best of it's, and my own abilities. Presets are great, don't get me wrong, but I like to make my own too, and I have to know what is going on in what order to do that. Thanks.

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Hi,
The new Tim Conrardy bank for CamelSpace is very very useful stuff! I now also use CamelSpace when I just need a little reverb or a delay. We're really talking essential gear here.
Yeah - it is cool. All credit to Tim here :hail: because it was his idea to create this bank, and I took a little convincing. Still, this feedback that I'm getting seems to suggest that this is a really useful thing to do, so I'll definitely look at expanding on this idea in the extra bank if the group buy reaches the necessary total (56 points to go).

I'd just like to put a little disclaimer here for those of you reading this thread. There's no need to worry about this stuff below, unless you want to create your own presets from scratch which make use of multiple patterns (single patterns are easy). So don't get stressed about this :)
When I set the *Length*, that tells me what in relation to the step sequencer ?
It tells you the number of bars over which the 16 steps will act. So if you have it set to "1/1 bar", then each step will correspond to a 1/16 of a bar, which is 1/4 note.
For instance : if I'm using an 8 bar loop, then setting the *Length* control to 8/1 will give me individual control over each full note step of the loop via the step sequencer settings ?
Almost. There are 16 steps acting over 8 bars, so each step will correspond to 8/16 = 1/2 bar.
And if I choose *TGATE* for all 8 of the step sequencer patterns and set them differently, then it will run through them all for 8 bars before repeating the 1st pattern ?
Yep.
What if I set the first 4 patterns for *TGATE*, and then 2 for *Filter*, and 2 for *Pan*, how long until it repeats from the start again ?
Each pattern loops indepentendly. I am assuming that patterns 1-4 are assigned to TGate, 5&6 to Filter, and 7&8 to Pan. The following diagram would work better with a fixed width font (see the manual for the example there), but anyway T=TGate, F=Filter, P=Pan. The numbers correspond to the pattern being played, starting at the start of the song.

T 12341234...
F 56565656...
P 78787878...
Sorry if this seems like overly basic, but I just want to make sure I understand it so i can use it to the best of it's, and my own abilities
This certainly isn't overly basic. It took the preset designers a good read of the manual to follow this.

The down side of the system is that it takes a little while to figure out, if you want to do multi pattern stuff. (Remember, you can do great things with just one pattern, in which case things are much simpler). On the plus side, this system is really powerful and can achieve some really cool stuff!

Thanks
Ben
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[quote="Ben [Camel Audio]Each pattern loops indepentendly. I am assuming that patterns 1-4 are assigned to TGate, 5&6 to Filter, and 7&8 to Pan. The following diagram would work better with a fixed width font (see the manual for the example there), but anyway T=TGate, F=Filter, P=Pan. The numbers correspond to the pattern being played, starting at the start of the song.

T 12341234...
F 56565656...
P 78787878...
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----O.k., that (above) certainly makes sense for even numbered pattern allocations of effects, so I'll just stick to even numbered programming for ease of use sake :)
----As for the *Length* question I asked then, it seems I had the math going wrong, that a 1/1 setting would give me individual note control over a 4 bar loop. And from there it's just up to me to confuse myself further ha-ha :hihi:
----Thanks for the extra information about the step programming though Ben, hopefully other people can benefit from my lack of understanding, and your more detailed explanation too :)
----As for the extra CamelSpace bank, I'm at the other end of the spectrum on that, I'd rather see some presets that utilize the 12341234/56565656/78787878 possibilities myself, or something in that range, longer arrangements of the effects changing over a longer time.

Jeff
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Hi Jeff,
----O.k., that (above) certainly makes sense for even numbered pattern allocations of effects, so I'll just stick to even numbered programming for ease of use sake
Odd numbered patterns aren't really any more confusing. For example, let say that patterns 1-4 are assigned to TGate, 5,6&7 to Filter, and 8 to Pan. This is what you'd get:

T 12341234...
F 56756756...
P 88888888...

Dunno if thats made things clearer or more confusion. Of course it seems straightforward to me, but then I designed it, so I would think that :lol:
As for the extra CamelSpace bank, I'm at the other end of the spectrum on that, I'd rather see ... longer arrangements of the effects changing over a longer time.
Bank C which comes with CamelSpace has some of this kind. You never know - if the group buy makes it to 600 points, we could have a bank of each :)

Here's some news about the group buy:

We're now at 377 points - just 23 points off a 41% discount on Cameleon ($117) and a 35% discount on CamelSpace and CamelPhat ($55).

I decided it'd be a bit more fun if the final goal is just about achievable (and hey whats 4% between friends :)) - so I've moved it from 1000 points to 600 points - everything else has stayed the same. At 600 points there will be an extra CamelPhat and CamelSpace bank created. Seeing as there's been an extra 100 points in the last 12 hours, its not beyond the realms of possibility.

The group buy will close when it is no longer Wednesday for anyone - that's 12:00am Thursday 29th GMT.
http://logic-users.org/groupbuy/camel

Good luck!
Ben
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[quote="Ben [Camel Audio]"]Hi Jeff,
Odd numbered patterns aren't really any more confusing. For example, let say that patterns 1-4 are assigned to TGate, 5,6&7 to Filter, and 8 to Pan. This is what you'd get:

T 12341234...
F 56756756...
P 88888888...

Dunno if thats made things clearer or more confusion. Of course it seems straightforward to me, but then I designed it, so I would think that :lol:

----Well, that (the odd numbered programming theory) certainly complicates things in a mathematical way, but I see how things just repeat as long as you keep the *effects* you wanted altered in order (and maybe sketched out in pencil ha-ha). It's a more "rational" and sober way of looking at making things happen subtly, or dramatically (whichever a person desires) during a patch. Which was my goal by asking my original thread-interupting, question, to over-simplify things for those of us who umm, didn't design the plug, but just want to use it well :)
----And as far as a 24 and a 1/2th hour lowering of the goal/increasing of the benefits, that's just cool, thumbs up, and here's hoping it hits 600 points+. :)

Jeff
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Several years ago had gigs to play but no name. Friend brought big drape of a Camel back from India which I had on my wall. Girlfriend at time suggested 'Camel Army'. ( http://www.camelaudio.com/camelarmy ).
That girl in that pic is really cute? :)
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A3ntar wrote:
Several years ago had gigs to play but no name. Friend brought big drape of a Camel back from India which I had on my wall. Girlfriend at time suggested 'Camel Army'. ( http://www.camelaudio.com/camelarmy ).
That girl in that pic is really cute? :)
You should listen to her sing!
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Hunter wrote:
A3ntar wrote:
Several years ago had gigs to play but no name. Friend brought big drape of a Camel back from India which I had on my wall. Girlfriend at time suggested 'Camel Army'. ( http://www.camelaudio.com/camelarmy ).
That girl in that pic is really cute? :)
You should listen to her sing!
An understatement on both counts.

Been messing with the CamelSpace demo and it really is phenomenal and inspiring!!! I beg to differ about its' usefulness on guitars. I've been morphing some simple background sustaining melodies into some incredible space-synth effects. I can already see CamelSpace being a secret weapon of mine for subliminal rhythmic trippiness. :hihi:
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first of all, BEN, thanks for creating such good quality, enjoyable plug ins!!

i've signed up for all three plug ins on LUG. and i'm dying to know when we can expect to get the plugs? this is my first group buy so i have no idea how it works.

obviously we get the plugs after paying, but when does the transaction take place? any cahnce of getting them now, seeing as the goal has been achieved? :D

sorry, i'm so impatient to get my goodies!!
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Hi,

Thanks very much to everyone whos signed up :hail:

We've made it to 623 points. So you can pick up Cameleon at a discount of 50% ($99.50) and CamelSpace and CamelPhat at a discount of 44% ($47.60).

Just so there's something still to aim for, if we make it to 1000 points, I'll sort out a rather special extra (How would some video tutorials strike you?). It might seem like an impossible target, but in the last 24hrs there's be about 330 points or so, and there's another 24hrs to go - so we shall see.
Been messing with the CamelSpace demo and it really is phenomenal and inspiring!!! I beg to differ about its' usefulness on guitars. I've been morphing some simple background sustaining melodies into some incredible space-synth effects. I can already see CamelSpace being a secret weapon of mine for subliminal rhythmic trippiness.
You're certainly not alone in loving CamelSpace on guitars. For example, Tim Conrardy (one of the preset designers) really enjoys sticking his guitar through CamelSpace. (He also did some not bad amp simulation presets for CamelPhat).
That girl in that pic is really cute?
As well as also having an awesome voice, she's a top lass as well! I'm afraid I have bad news for you all though - she has a boyfriend who is a very nice guy. BTW. I look really freakish in that picture though - even more than usual :lol:

Thanks
Ben
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