even & odd audio harmonic exciter - like triode tube ?

[kylen]

OK - my work here is done...
SweetyVST is still in my mastering chain as a sweetening EQ (oddly enough!) after 2 days so I can say I like the sound and facility of being able to manipulate audio harmonics directly, most plugs get about 20 seconds audition time when I know what sound I'm looking for - SweetyVST cuts to the chase so to speak. I'm hearing warmth, brightness, saturation, 1959 bassman amp, brittleness, mud, beauty & the beast in other words - depending on which freq bands I manipulate. It can destroy or save a mix - like anything.

I believe this could all be handled in a simple synth edit plugin where fundemental and up to maybe 15 harmonics could be individually set. I can take care of the multi-band aspect via Teknika Console since that allows me to play with the crossovers and fine-tune the sound and run in parallel if I wish. Pretty simple actually - thanks again Christian for the proof of concept tool you pointed me to!

[Lagrange]

Not sure if you tried this already but Aboretum Hyperisum offers (in my view) the most..

C

[kylen]

Not sure if you tried this already but Aboretum Hyperisum offers (in my view) the most..
C

Thanks for the tip cdunkeroo! The harmonic stuff looks nice - trying the demo in Audition and Sonar.

How's the PC DX support at Arboretum. Right after I bought IonizerDX ($$$) the support stopped on that one and I haven't used it since 2003 - kiss of death.

[tek_ra]

Sweety is so simple, yet so usefull.
Cheers for pointing me to it!

[kylen]

Sweety is so simple, yet so usefull.
Cheers for pointing me to it!

Yes - thanks again to Christian for that!

Simplicity is the name of the game - I just want a plugin with sliders marked: Fundamental, 2nd harmonic, 3rd harmonic, 4th harmonic...and so on. Catagorizing the balance of harmonics in plugins with controls
like 'FAT', 'BRIGHT', 'WARM', 'FIRE', "SIZZLE", and so on is a little cloudy for me right now. I even made a catagorization in the title of my own thread but as I learn more about I just want the basic building block for this harmonic control.

But SweetyVST is a little tricky itself - I've noticed that depending on what combination of harmonics I set - if I actually look at a 1KHz sine wave then by increasing the 5th, for example, that will push down another harmonic. I don't care - whatever sounds good is the balance I want anyway. I do like the idea of being able to adjust the balance depending on what the program material requires. I think that's mandatory.

Anyway - I've spent the entire day, mostly, looking for any other plugins that will allow harmonic balancing using simple controls like SweetyVST and I just don't see any. Good thing we've got this one anlong with my other short list of a few other ones (that catagorize the harmonic balances without individual control)!

[Frippertronix]

Kylen, can you describe in a little more detail how you made each instance of Sweety band dependant, so it functions only for a specified frequency band in your multi-band EQ setup?

Thanks,
Dave

[kylen]

Kylen, can you describe in a little more detail how you made each instance of Sweety band dependant, so it functions only for a specified frequency band in your multi-band EQ setup?

Thanks,
Dave

OK here goes - I'm using Art Teknika Console as in insert in a track with my stereo mix, but I think there are a couple of more consoles in the KVR index that would work too:
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/267.html

For a 3-band exciter I put 3 instances of GlissEQ (or your favorite transparent EQ) in the Console followed by 3 instances of SweetyVST. Then I tune each GlissEQ to Bass (LPF @300Hz), Mids (HPF @300Hz, LPF @4KHz), and Highs (HPF @4KHz). I've tried that before and believe it nulls out if I clone a track and phase invert - no crossover distortion in other words. Once the crossovers are set I just tune the individual SweetyVSTs to whatever sounds good to excite for that band - by ear.

I've got templates for single-band up thru 5-band I'm working with , I believe I'll probably settle on the 4-band version. I also have parallel exciter templates. Other EQs are fun to use for crossover like FreEQ and Eqium (easier to sweep the bandpass in Eqium). I also plan to make multi-band Warmifier, AIPL WarmTone and a few more that should sound good that way - if I get good enough maybe I'll do a MB Cyanide but the waveshaper interface is a little hard for me to translate into specific "N" harmonic distortions right now.

Anyway - I'm psyc'd and think I'll end up liking this way to excite the harmonics of an entire mix. I sure am blabbin' enough about it!

ED: Picture worth 1000 words...

[decil]

Hi!
I've a author of this plugin (SweetyVST) )

This is only alpha version, maked after couple of hours in Maple, and some programming.
I really happy, so you find it usefull.

This version contain some mistakes, and it will be improved at next versions.

[decil]

P.S.

And ofcourse I'll make it multiband and more easy-to-use.
Sorry for my poor english

[Lagrange]

ewww some of the bands sound totally gross.. try aboretum hyperisum..

C

[decil]

So, go and pay for Aboretrum

My plugin is only realisation of some my ideas. It's not ready for use.
Generaly, I don't want to share it in kvr, only in musicdsp community, because it's only alpha version, and this version is not so usable.

I've happy, so some peoples find it usefull in it current state.

[robenestobenz]

Thanks for the plugin decil.

[kylen]

Hi!
I've a author of this plugin (SweetyVST) )

This is only alpha version, maked after couple of hours in Maple, and some programming.
I really happy, so you find it usefull.

This version contain some mistakes, and it will be improved at next versions.

Hi decil! Thanks for stopping by. I have been all over the internet and see many many folks talking about adjusting individual harmonic balance in the audio stream. You're the only one who has proto-typed a VST plugin for PC. Hats off to you!

Regarding the comparison of this "building-block" plugin to a higher level tube saturator or exciter like Hyperprism or Warmifier - well thats not a good comparison. Each plugin, SweetyVST or Warmifier solve a different problem and imply a different philosophy and understanding during usage. At the lower level a plugin like SweetyVST simply allows balancing of the fundamental and the next 4 harmonics. With this much power beautiful sweet things can be created, the power exists also to set a harmonic outside of an optimal operating range and make an ugly nasty sound. With a higher level plugin like Warmifier or AIPL WarmTone the harmonic balances and operating ranges are handled for me - under the covers. So we have a "building block" type plugin like SweetyVST as well as harmonic exciters further downstream like Warmifier and the Arboretum plugin. Having one level of harmonic exciter plugin does not necessarily negate having others...

One more thing about the Arboretum plugin - those folks do not have a great tracks record with me regarding supporting their PC line - I mentioned this earlier. The SweetyVST developer is here discussing his ideas and plans (BTW - sorry to get you out of bed too early decil - I know you were at prototyping level or thereabouts!). If the Arboretum developers have any response that's fine too.

[decil]

I've never sleep, he-he

For a word, now I have many ideas, howto improve plugin quality, or make two version, low-level plugin to process each instrument and mastering plugin.

Still wait a proposition about features you've need to make it usable.

[kylen]

I've never sleep, he-he

... or make two version, low-level plugin...and mastering plugin.

Exactly! Very nice plan!