Post Sonar 5 thoughts here

[mn]

I'd prefer they charge enough so that devs continue coding and improving and not sitting around on KVR bitching about the price of Cubase. I paid $179 to upgrade S4P to S5P, and I was happy to do it. I've paid more than that for one plugin MANY times.

I also tend not to listen when one person/company who admittedly is ripping off customers and emloyees tries to tell me another person/company is ripping me off. Kind of makes all comparisons invalid. "Yeah, I'm a crook, but they're REALLY crooks."

Back on topic, per clip FX and automation is excellent. And the tabbed interface for the non-track view windows (Piano, Score, etc) is cool. Track icons might be cool, I dunno. Manually drawable envelopes is cool - I'm thinking Aleksey had something to do with that maybe. V-Vocal and RXP are nice newbies, haven't played much yet. Track templates seem to be a concept carryover from P5v2 and are very welcome.

Stick around Cabinfever, I figure there's at least 124*(1.07/pi)+12 more interesting posts to come!

[LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY]

Oh, no doubt it is worth it to me and you to spend 179 dollars because i cant get all those features from anyone else for less! But then again you were comparing the features to OTHER overpriced products..

[mumpcake]

2.PSYN II subtractor synth worth atleast $99.00

3.Roland groove synth worth at least $79.00

You can buy Kinetic at most computer or music stores for $79, which includes both PSYN and the Groove Synth. (The difference between PSYN and PSYN II is the addition of distortion, delay, and chorus effects.)

Even so, it still seems like a worthwhile upgrade, especially considering I got in on the 3->4 + 5 free deal.

[thenumber23]

Could you comment on the 3->4 + 5 free deal? Was that if you owned 3 and upgraded to 4 recently, you got the upgrade to 5 free? Thx...

[Aural Chaos]

7.Roland v vocal variphrase - Compared to Antares Avox vocal toolkit @ 499.00 (with PACE no doubt) So you have to say Rolands worth about at least $200.00

That's like comparing apples at $1.29/lb to oranges at $1.79/lb.

Maybe compare it to Autotune?

[johnmorales]

Limitapproach - the guy who outlined the true costs of running a company destroyed your arguement. Development costs may be charged to the design and development Dept., but the cost of the software reflects the overall costs of RUNNING THE COMPANY on a day to day basis, any and all costs associated with it. This includes the janitors, receptionists, employee benefits, social security taxes, corporate taxes, various utilties, rent. His list was NOT complete.

To restrict and decide what software should cost based solely on the price of the programming Etc. as you did is not a viable way to do business. Any company that did that would omit 95% of the expenses of running the company.

I've heard this type of argument made by salespeople who say, because they make all the money they should get paid more. It's not about how much you contribute or cost, but how you contribute to the entire company, and the cost of supporting the WHOLE company from top to bottom.

[gnu23]

Jeez, stop feeding the LimitApp...

He's forgotten health insurance, admin staff, copy writers, 401k programs, building/office costs, net feed expenses, travel expenses, copier toner, pens, paper, janitor costs, ... anything else?

Oh yeah, he forgot he hasn't even a clueon*.

S5 is a worthy successor to S4 at the upgrade price. If you are buying in fresh...ouch! But still, at full retail you get a heck of a lot.






*clueon == the smallest part of a clue.

[billybk1]

S5 is a worthy successor to S4 at the upgrade price.
If you are buying in fresh...ouch! But still, at full retail you get a heck of a lot.

Savvy shoppers always get the best deals. As a reward for being a registered Cakewalk customer you can get some hefty discounts on "upgrades" going from one type of Cakewalk app to another. For instance, you can buy Kinetic ($79.00) and once registered, turn around and "upgrade" to SONAR 5 Studio, for $199.00. SONAR 5 Studio, now includes the excellent Sonitus:fx plugin suite, which sells for $299.00, by itself. So as a new customer you can get Kinetic, SONAR 5 Studio and the Sonitus:fx suite for $278.00

http://store.cakewalk.com/product.asp?id=103

[saturdaysaint]

I can nitpick about a few things and come up with some requests, but ultimately I feel like Sonar 5 finally gives me everything that I wanted in a host when I got into recording and then some. The inline MIDI editor and the many subtle enhancements to MIDI (like easy, immediate control over individual note velocities) make music-making much more cohesive and quick. The tabbed views also reduce mental and visual clutter by putting everything from the bus envelopes to the marker view to the loop explorer in one consolidated section of the screen. The new envelope tools are fun and useful for quick adjustments. So even basic work is much more fun.

Unsurprisingly for Voxengo fans, Perfect Space sounds and looks fantastic.

My impression of V-Vocal so far is that it is incredibly powerful and great-sounding for basic pitch and tempo correction, but that it has a little ways to go before it can be used as a creative tool. Transitions between pitches almost always need to be drawn in manually with V-Vocal, which isn't the end of the world, but makes creative manipulation of melodies really time-consuming since you have to both move every note and artfully draw in the pitch transition (then usually audition your transition over and over again). Still, it's a great tool in the arsenal (and incredibly well integrated with the host) that would practically justify the upgrade alone.

I haven't even gotten too far into a lot of the new features like RXP, Pentagon or Track Presets, but I'm already very happy with the upgrade.

[ericj23]

hey is the demo up ??

[ericj23]

i suppose i should just look at cakewalk.com

[billybk1]

Here's a new SONAR 5 demo video, I just came across.

New Synths & MIDI Production Tools



http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=583336


It covers a lot of new territory:

RXP-I (REX Player)
Roland Groove Synth
Psyn II
Pentagon
Enhanced MFX (I really like the snazzy new GUI's)
Snap to Scale
Step Record
Inline Piano Roll
Tab Views
Track Templates

Cool Stuff!

[whyterabbyt]

Of course you do. But then you're basically ignorant of any of the appropriate facts, aren't you.

Yes being a software dev makes me ignorant.. Trust me, our company ripped off every company we ever sold our software package to. We ripped off our employees by paying them one tenth what they are billed out to clients at..

Listen whytrabit. You are all rhetoric. Your so concerned about HOW you sound when you argue.. My guesse is that your not good at math or thinking logically. I'm also asuming your good at drama and maybe were in the drama club(Yes im asuming again).

You might have been good at english... (vocab etc. punctuation) but not the critical thinking.. Which means that if you graduated from highschool, you might have done well in it, but if you went to college you most likely got lousy grades. But I dont think you did go to college.. So if you want to make this personal, i think i have demonstrated that i am willing to do so, but after this response i would rather stay on topic and actually give logical reasons why I am not being reasonable.. Like instead of saying:


Quote: LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY
I think that even if there were only FOUR programmers exclusively working on SONAR alone, they could get it done in the time it took to upgrade version four to five..

Your response:
"Of course you do. But then you're basically ignorant of any of the appropriate facts, aren't you."

Your response accomplished nothing. A better response would have been an inteligent one such as:
"Well, converting 32-bit software to 64-bit takes major restructuring that makes the time to 'update to version 5' more like recoding a whole new software package'"

See how i did that? I was better at defeating my own argument than you were.

See you're response to that VERY last sentance would be something like this: "Of course you defeat your own arguments, your ignorant."

Which will make you sound unintelligent again.. So please enough rhetoric and more analytical thought.

It'd be really easy to pick this apart and show you every single little flaw of logic you've made in this (because you sure don't seem to know what it is) but I'll say it one more time, just because you're seemingly having difficulty grasping it.

There wasn't a single fact in what you said. You dont know any of the facts. Your entire argument is bogus, and it doesnt take any kind of debate over how dumb your suppositions were, and how retarded a framework of 'logic' (bwahahaha) you hung on that. It was all totally bogus, and not a single subsequent post of yours since (including some of the worst attempt at ad hominem attacks Ive ever seen, but thanks for the giggles) has changed that; in fact they've mostly compounded it.

[nuisance sonore]

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[LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY]

Let me say this.. Some of you have some decent points... (namely distorted signal). A product is 'worth' what people are willing to spend. Which is sad. I would never have bought sonar brand new at 600 bucks. I only even have it because i crossgraded from logic. And why on earth would you think that its overpriced(dist signal) if you yourself didnt have some sort of conjecture that leads to that conclusion? The only difference is that i exposed mine for everyone to pick apart. I just want these people that blindly shell out hundreds on this stuff to think about it for once. (Especially small companies unlike cake that have very little overhead). Cakewalk is the leaste of the ripper offers. Some of these effects companies are rediculous. It just makes me sick for some reason.