TripplerX Vocal Doubler VSTs

[Midiworks]

While I still need to delay the release of DeEsserX,
I have seen that the need of people for
DuosX or ChoirsX, seams to be quite different.
One likes this one or the other.

I think both are usefull.

So I thought I offer you this:
Donate for one OR the other,
and you will recieve both VST's !

This offer is good for the next 3 days.
(from now to 3. October)

People who already had donated before,
will get an email soon.

I hope you like the idea and it makes your choise easy.



DuosX 3 day full working PC Demo version download:
http://www.soundspectral.com/DuosX_1.01_demo.zip
or
http://sr2.mytempdir.com/175640


ChoirsX 3 day full working PC Demo version download:
http://www.soundspectral.com/ChoirsX_v1.0_demo.zip
or
http://sr2.mytempdir.com/175645

[Hink]

jasonsantiago, he was talking about the first beta version, that I released to prove a point.

And you forgot they they bashed and insulted me for no reason whatsoever, from page 1 on...
This was not nice, not nice at all.

please show signs of bashing...you were criticized...if you call that bashing then you need to get a thicker skin or get out the business...(which if you keep naming the products close to Antares you wont have to worry about)...I did say that your clones give me good reasons not to buy your amp sim...like in the thread you claim you got attacked I said several times in that thread (as did fritztar sp)...this is not personal, but I do find your business tactics questionable. In fact the "clone" is borderline cracked for me and against my principles (mine, not everyones) So I wont be buying the amp sim...I wont buy these because there is a difference in sound and functionality...nice tactic though...Antares gives you 10 days (and that really isn't enough to learn the apps)..you give three days...so your challenge of try and compare is very unfair.

When we try demos we are clueless about the software, we need time to learn it well enogh to know if it's right for us, otherwise we are basing or judgement on ignorance (ignornace being used properly), our lack of knowledge, by pushing controls to the limit, by looking at and trying out some presets...making a decision in three days means you're guessing...so they try the demos and at first it appears that you are correct there is very few differences...then after you start to learn AVOX and understand the ideas behind it, how to tweak it well you quickly find that you can tweak it much more precisely and a lot can be done with AVOX...you also learn about vocal processing and I'm sorry but I'll stick with Antares (sorry I don't have a song done with it yet, but I will). You get their money before they realise it isn't as good, and likely wont have the support of Antares which is freakin awesome. Then they say to themselves, well then if this is a clone ( a very dangerous word for you to use) then the Antares wont be much better. Then they are cheating themselves out of a good product and cheating Antares out of money for further development.

BTW don't even bother with the de-essor (this is just friendly advice), you wont beat Voxformer no matter what you do...and of course you said it would be tough to clone Throat, which when used properly is an amazing tool. (punch isn't bad, but Voxformer is better)

Now again this is not personal, other developers here will tell you that I am very appreciative and supportive of the quality pluggins they make...I'm outspoken about the positive as much as the negative...so dont sya I'm attacking you, I'm reacting to your challenge of try both...I have and I have made my choice (really dont think any of my money will find it's way to your bank account)...but if you call two guys saying over and over that this is not personal an attack then you have some rough seas ahead my friend...

[androidlove]

well, i didn't shell out money to antares, so i'm not mad. and yes, please bother. i'm lookin forward to more from you

[Midiworks]

jasonsantiago, he was talking about the first beta version, that I released to prove a point.

And you forgot they they bashed and insulted me for no reason whatsoever, from page 1 on...
This was not nice, not nice at all.

please show signs of bashing...you were criticized...

Nothing at all against critic, nothing at all.
But 11 pages of this, was not just bashing but slaugter...

But untill this day it seams nobody actually was reading what I wrote.
Instead people said, I said this and that, what I did NOT say at all !
You simply have to read what "I" wrote, NOT what others said, I said, that wasnt much btw.

In fact the "clone" is borderline cracked for me and against my principles (mine, not everyones) So I wont be buying the amp sim...I wont buy these because there is a difference in sound and functionality...nice tactic though...Antares gives you 10 days (and that really isn't enough to learn the apps)..you give three days...so your challenge of try and compare is very unfair.

So, everybody making another reverb, chorus or delay or whatever, is borderline to cracked ?
If you have tried and listened to those VSTs, you must have found out,
that they go way further by now and are NOT "clones" (bad word I agree) anymore.
(not much in common with that first alpha/beta)

When we try demos we are clueless about the software, we need time to learn it well enogh to know if it's right for us, otherwise we are basing or judgement on ignorance (ignornace being used properly), our lack of knowledge, by pushing controls to the limit, by looking at and trying out some presets...making a decision in three days means you're guessing...

These are not complicate VSTs, like some reverbs for exemple.
But some people might need more time, I agree.
So I suguest, you install only one VST first, than try for 3 days and after that the next one.
Enough time to understand 5 faders and 5 knobs.


By 5 plugins that would be, 3 days x 5 plugins=15 days of learning !

so they try the demos and at first it appears that you are correct there is very few differences...then after you start to learn AVOX and understand the ideas behind it, how to tweak it well you quickly find that you can tweak it much more precisely and a lot can be done with AVOX...

I can only say it again,"use your own ears".
But I hear quite some phase shifting with the other doubler, that you wount have with mine.
Also my random knob is producing a way more natural result on the doubled voice.
(was working hard on this feature)
And finally lets not forget they uses 5 times less CPU !

When I get that formant shifting right, I will add a Caracter slider.


Oh folks,did I mention, that you can get BOTH VST,
during the next 3 days for a minimum donation of
10 Euro via PayPal ?

BTW don't even bother with the de-essor (this is just friendly advice), you wont beat Voxformer no matter what you do...

Voxformer is a great product !!!
I agree 100%, go there and try this guys, worth every penny !!! ($59.95)
http://www.voxengo.com/product/voxformer/

But this is not the point here.
If there is one great reverb out there, dont even bother making another one ?
I only wonder why there are so many...
Compressors, deessers, chorus, delays ect.


btw. you can also buy the AVOX plugins seperatly now !

For the fair price of $249 for DUO and $249 for CHOIR.

[Hink]

you know once I got seriously bashed on FL looptalk (some might remember this) for defending behringer, someone was saying that all they do is bastardize the work of someone else...by using a similar name, basically the same look and controls..and worse you call it clone I don't see how this isn't the same thing but worse...you are using Antares name to promote your product, you are walking a thin line between infringement and your own product...I have nothing against any pluggins you make...my point to you is for your benefit...make your own product..knock yourself out...I truly hope you come up with some groundbreaking stuff...but you said you "ripped off" the code in a half hour...that's dishonest...not I designed one better in half an hour...you said in no uncertain terms that you "ripped it off"...how is that proper? How is that your own product? It's so funny because how I got bashed for defending Behringer and this is far worse. I said it before, before you post any more links, demos whatever you need to talk to a lawyer...very good advice..I suggest you take it.

Again I will say that it bothers me you don't see the lack of morality of "ripping off" another company, but worse then you use their name recognition (Dousx...c'mon any first year legal student could bury you for that) and yet you dont stop and listen to some good advice being given to you...I don't mean this as an insult, but given your talent for programming and developing and your lack of business sense perhaps you should go to work for another company.

Now really I'm not trying to be mean...just telling you as it is, I think legally wise what you have done is close enough to piracy to cause you legal woes. I doubt you have the means to defend against the large companies lawyers...even if you are right and could win in court, you'd never be able to afford to. They dont have to be right to win, they have the advantage.

So what could happen (and very likely will) is that Antares could ask the courts to issue a C&D order while they investigate further. That's exactly what Monster cable did, it doesn't mean they will take you to court...again like Monster Cable they probably wont have to....(many of the reported Monster suits were actually never brought to court because Monster determined they were not infringement). Antares can afford stall tactics, tactics that will wipe you out.

So you agree to stop the work (just an example) on these clones. You go back to work on your amp sim...you realease it and NI, Waves and others file similar requests because precedent has been set, they too will want to make sure they are not getting infringed upon..again they can afford the time...can you?

Do you see what I'm saying? I'm not being an asshole, I'm not being a jerk...I'm giving you a friendly nudge to help you not blow it...you do know that out of the 60,000 members (roughly) and the vast amount guests here that all the major companies have people checking KVR and other sites on a regular basis...I can assure you they have noticed you, they do know what you're doing...if they percieve any threat to their business (in other words if it does compare to their's) they will squash you like a bug...you'll be done. In fact they could even put pressure on KVR, you could be harming KVR's reputation...did you give that any thought?

All this could be avoided by simply letting the product stand on it's own merits, not using a name close to Antares, not using a similar gui, not constantly comparing it to them...if it's good you shouldn't need to use their name in your product...you're dancing with fire on thin ice, I hope you will see that and change. So again as a result I question if doing business with you would be wise, for me I don't trust you (not as in you're dishonest, you just don't come across as a good businesman) so I now will take more convincing to buy your product when you release the Amp Sim...you might find others quicker to judge you and your amp sim now as well.

Change the name, design a different gui, make your own product (that hopefully will be better) and you'll be fine...otherwise you're just digging yourself in deeper and deeper.

FWIW I dont think either of you clones come close to choir boy or clone esemble (I have both) and they are around 20-25 bux each.

About Voxformer, I didn't mean to sound the way I did, I apologize...but the pluggin market is very flooded...filling the gaps would make better business sense then trying to out do someone else on products that are there already plenty of. It's just a suggestion meant with good intent.

[Midiworks]

...but you said you "ripped off" the code in a half hour...that's dishonest...not I designed one better in half an hour...you said in no uncertain terms that you "ripped it off"...

You did it again !
I NEVER EVER SAID THAT !!!
Why cant you just stick to the truth ???
Quote what I said, but dont make things up please !
DONT repeat again what others said I have said...
I really get fed up with this.

Again I will say that it bothers me you don't see the lack of morality of "ripping off" another company, but worse then you use their name recognition (Dousx...c'mon any first year legal student could bury you for that).

Who is ripping of who here ?
You still dont get my point dont you ?
No, you really dont...

Just so everybody knows, duo and choir are common words and can therefor not be protected.
(like cat, dog, house, car)

You also can't "copyright a name" or anything short like that, such as almost all titles. You may be thinking of trade marks, which apply to names, and can be weakened or lost if not defended.

DuosX and ChoirsX are fantasy names.
And indeed protectable.


Is it fair to make a parodie of these plugins...
Maybe yes, maybe no.

Is it copyright infrightment to show the gui of those
plugs to critisize and prove the high cpu they have ?
Again, no, this is total legal under these circumsdances.

This just to make a few basic facts clear.


In the USA, since you live under the Bush regime,
the american people lost a lot of civil rights and even elected this man again...
(if they ever did...)
But there is still the protection of free speech under whitch this falls.

Customer confusion ?
Can people get confused by a price difference of
one product for $12 and the other for $249 ?
Yes, but only about the "why" there is such a huge price difference, but for sure not about the companys identity,
this is and was always cristal clear for everybody.
So no confusion.


I guess you know the company and products you defend
use the iLok copy protection.
Are you aware of how many problems can accure by installing this ???
Some other plugings that worked perfectly before,
wount suddenly run anymore, this is just one exemple.
And there are many !
Do some research.

So, why are they using such an privacy invading
protection ?
(others like Waves too btw)

You may say to prevent piracy...
No, since what one guy wrote on kvr, it got cracked a few days later...
To prevent the customer who bought that plug to give it to a friend ?
Maybe 10 years ago that worked, not so anymore today.

So all those companys do, is to treat there customes,
those who "payed" them money like "presumed as 'maybe' criminals".

THE ONLY ONES THEY HURT ARE THE CUSTOMERS !
All the others couldnt care less...



So, I hope I gave you, Antares, Waves and the others
something to think about.

People are looking for alternatives to those invading systems.
Thats one of the reasons why companys like Voxengo have such a great success !
(Dont use Waves buy Voxengo)
The moment those "small" companys will start to code for Mac, the whole situation will change.
Because the Mac/Pc compability is the ONLY advantage they still have.



At the end a little tip:
Plug a guitar into the AVOX plugins and listen to
what they really are !
(or any percussive guitar like sound)

Sorry, when YOU will feel ripped off afterwards...



Ah yes, Fritz, you were really dam' close with your guess before btw.

[Hink]

you owe me an apology...I give you good advice and you bash me...you said

Don't forget its only $600 !
So stop shouting...

I coded a rip-off from Duo and Choir in a few hours.
It only took that long because I stombled across some interesting "exidents"...

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... light=avox

page 5 near the bottom those are your exact words and you can't go back and change them...so either you are forgetful or a liar...your choice...

[Lunch Money]

Well, although my inner voice is telling me to stay out, I'm a mediator at heart and here's what I see as being said. Let me try to paraphrase each party's points:

Hink: "I think the level to which you 'borrowed' is unscrupulous, and you didn't help that perception by using the words 'rip off'."

Midiworks: "That's a matter of opinion, and hey, waitasec... don't accuse me of stealing code!"


Anybody can see the breakdown in communication. You're not arguing over the same thing. Midiworks, Hink is saying that you used the word "rip off" which you did. Hink, you know that Midiworks had no way of actually pirating or stealing any code, so it was just an unfortunate choice of words.

Communication is everything. It's the difference between me saying to my girlfriend, "I wanna tap that a$$" and "Want to put on some Barry White and make sweet love?" I'm not admitting which one actually gets me into bed, but the point being that it's all about communication.

Greg

[Midiworks]

you owe me an apology...I give you good advice and you bash me...you said

Don't forget its only $600 !
So stop shouting...

I coded a rip-off from Duo and Choir in a few hours.
It only took that long because I stombled across some interesting "exidents"...

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... light=avox

page 5 near the bottom those are your exact words and you can't go back and change them...so either you are forgetful or a liar...your choice...

To say:"I coded a rip-off from Duo and Choir in a few hours."
Is NOT the same meaning as:
"

...but you said you "ripped off" the code in a half hour...that's dishonest...not I designed one better in half an hour...you said in no uncertain terms that you "ripped it off"...

isnt it ?

[Lunch Money]

I think we cross-posted here; however-- that's part of my point. Two different things are being said/interpreted.

[Midiworks]

Thanks Greg, you are right.

And I do apologise for being hash Hink,
these kind of "wording" happend just too often here.
So, sorry.

[Hink]

Thanks Greg, you are right.
And I do apologise for being hash,
these kind "wording" happend just too often here.
So, sorry.

so then what does ripped off mean...it was so easy to code I ripped it off in yada yada? If that is in fact then I do owe you an apology but again you are quick tempered and I am giving you good advice...you dont realize that it just takes that little bit of mis-communication to let the corporations slip the legal dogs in the door....then you're done, unless you have millions we dont know about...sorry you don't see that.

However with that being said, I do not believe you and will end it here. I think the fact that you compare it with Antares, you name it close to the same name, you copied the gui's exact then changed them some and the fact you have many times called it a clone make it clear what rip off means here, if I'm wrong oh well...I do not care what others do, I do not care what you do...but I do find your practices to be questionable so you needn't worry about having me for a customer...again this is not personal...I'm sure you're a great guy...but I dont think you are a very good businessman...you fly off the handle too quick...take care.

[Hink]

BTW so you know...I had a terrible time getting the ilok to work...I agree I dont like it, but now it's over and it's not an issue I dont blame pace or Antares...they need to protect themselves, and though I may not like the present state of ilok as protection that dislike isn't enough to make me sorry I bought the software. It's working fine now, I just couldn't get it coded...perhaps because of ilok, maybe because of my own ignorance...however Antares sent fed ex to my door and picked up the ilok and returned it coded.

Pace was quite confused as was I, I got two different error codes 1607 and 1602...the it shut down installation...so no Pace isn't perfect, but they are working on it...and the concept of one dongle with all your codes (if you have a lot of software like I do and they all used dongles which mine dont) on one key is cool...but you're right it's a pain in the ass right now.

BTW I could of just gone to anyone of my friends houses to code the ilok there, but Antares customer service is so awesome they wanted to make sure that there wasn't something wrong with my ilok.

I was also given the option of store credit on AVOX if I chose...I still kept it..

[Midiworks]

You had a hard time with it too, like many, many others.
You lost time, I guess much time waiting for FedEx and nerves...
Isnt there something wrong, no matter how good the service is ?

You said: ...they need to protect themselves.

A protection that last 3 days, is NO protection.

THE ONLY ONES THEY HURT ARE THE CUSTOMERS, YOU !
All the others (pirats/crackers)couldnt care less...
(They dont have ANY of the problems you had.)

[Hink]

You had a hard time with it too, like many, many others.
You lost time, I guess much time waiting for FedEx and nerves...
Isnt there something wrong, no matter how good the service is ?

You said: ...they need to protect themselves.

A protection that last 3 days, is NO protection.

THE ONLY ONES THEY HURT ARE THE CUSTOMERS, YOU !
All the others (pirats/crackers)couldnt care less...
(They dont have ANY of the problems you had.)

You don't make a bad point, however in all honesty we are talking a unique implementation pluggin...by that I mean it's not like a host or recording software, it's not an app I use on a daily basis at all...so yes if I was in a pro studio and had customers, had I been foolish enough to make promises I wasn't sure I could keep, i would be in a tough position...but again I could get it coded like I said by going to anyones computer, so time wouldn't of been lost.

But I work on vocals very little, I am a guitar player and a songwriter..I sing because I have no other choice...so in this cse no it didn't put me out at all...

I really have very little confidence in my vocals so I tend to procrastinate recording them...if my son (24) wasn't 200 miles away I would enlist him as he his a pretty good singer and starting out on a path of songwriting. So you see even if you and all of KVR hates AVOX and it could just be a placebo effect, it does seem to boost my confidence. As you agreed Auto-tune is awesome...I do also have Voxformer (and a whole lot mor Voxengo stuff), Clone Ensemble and Choir Boy, likely I will be buying more and more stuff for vox...anything to help...why you want to try and shoot that down is beyond me. If I'm such a fool then you should be having a good laugh at me...but if I'm happy with it I'm not sure why it should be of your concern...afterall it's me that wants to be happy, I'm not writing music to give you an occupation, though it is a nice side benefit when a company deserves it.