KVR Audio

oddbods finger · Post by **oddbods finger** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:30 am

Is it possible to use VST instruments in Audiomulch?
If so..how do you trigger them?

krushing · Post by **krushing** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:15 am

I recall it's possible to use 'em, but triggering is by external MIDI input only, so no sequencing from with the 'Mulch as of yet.

oddbods finger · Post by **oddbods finger** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:52 am

krushing wrote:I recall it's possible to use 'em, but triggering is by external MIDI input only...

mmm...well I did try this from my controller keyboard and I can't get any response.
I've got the Midi In port setting in Audiomulch correctly selected.

fabi · Post by **fabi** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:29 pm

do you have midi activated in audiomulch? it's right next to the audio activation button... top right in the the toolbar, i think. - i sometimes forget to turn it on.

oddbods finger · Post by **oddbods finger** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:13 pm

fabi the underachiever wrote:do you have midi activated in audiomulch? it's right next to the audio activation button...

Yep..I made sure about that.

I must be missing something somewhere

Klemperer · Post by **Klemperer** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:20 pm

oddbods finger wrote:
fabi the underachiever wrote:do you have midi activated in audiomulch? it's right next to the audio activation button...
Yep..I made sure about that.

I must be missing something somewhere

I don't know audiomulch well (had some old beta and liked it though) - but you could pm Shamann here at KVR, he uses it and will answer your question for sure. It is possible, I'm sure. Reading this reminds me I wanted to test mulch again since quite some time.

fac · Post by **fac** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:22 pm

Right-click on synth's window title and select "Parameter Modulation". Highlight the synth's name and select the MIDI receive port & channel for the synth.

fabi · Post by **fabi** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:26 pm

i hope this is not too OT, but what are channels and ports and what's important about them? what is the difference between the two?

i know that in standard midi files, individual instruments are usually assigned different midi channels (e.g. ch10 for drums, i think), but how do ports play into that?

coolio · Post by **coolio** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:34 pm

I spent the weekend playing with this. Did you install Midi Yoke? Did you go into the audiomulch midi options and set the input device to midi yoke NT 1 (for XP anyway)?

What are you using to generate Midi. I was able to quickly get several prorams to generate and send midi to Audiomulch. Inside AudioMulch I had an instance of Synth1 (VST synth). I connected this to sound out (or to effects) and it worked great.

However, all programs experienced about 1/3 second delay between sending and when audiomulch generated a sound. Anyone know why?

Thanks!

Jay

audiobot202 · Post by **audiobot202** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:36 pm

Have you tried various VST instruments and had the same problem?

fabi · Post by **fabi** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:43 pm

coolio wrote:I spent the weekend playing with this. Did you install Midi Yoke? Did you go into the audiomulch midi options and set the input device to midi yoke NT 1 (for XP anyway)?

What are you using to generate Midi. I was able to quickly get several prorams to generate and send midi to Audiomulch. Inside AudioMulch I had an instance of Synth1 (VST synth). I connected this to sound out (or to effects) and it worked great.

However, all programs experienced about 1/3 second delay between sending and when audiomulch generated a sound. Anyone know why?

Thanks!

Jay

are you sure the latency is set fairly low/are you using ASIO drivers? check the sound settings in audiomulch to see if that may be the reason...

you could give asio4all a try if you haven't already - i am sure you can google it up or someone might have the link...

coolio · Post by **coolio** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:28 pm

I haven't tried other VST instruments. I will - if it turns out to be just a synth1 problem then that'd be fine. (There were so many good reviews of synth1 I figured that can't be the problem...)

I hadn't tried playing with the buffer settings in audiomulch but I will. That sounds like a reasonably likely candidate.

I'm not using any special drivers. Mucking with drivers is a last resort. Also, the performance of audiomulch seems perfect except for this one case of using midi to trigger the VST instrument. Would that be consistent with a sound driver issue?

Thanks for the tips! I like audiomulch very much and would like to find a way to make the midi-to-vst-instrument connection work well.

Jay

pHz · Post by **pHz** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:51 pm

hmmmnnn ... something defintiely seems up here ... read this thread and had to check ... fired up mulch ... dropped in synth1 ... enabled MIDI and audio ... played some keys on my evolution mk225c ... out comes some nice synth1 brass sound ... no huge latency ... no fancy tweaking of settings ...

... must be a 'down to individual system quirks' thing ???

(not sure what to suggest TBH)

slainte

rob

coolio · Post by **coolio** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:31 pm

Thanks for doing the experiment. That would seem to rule out audiomulch buffers as an issue.

I tried sending midi from Sony Acid and several shareware/freeware sequencers, all with the same weird lag.

I don't yet have a keyboard so I'm using midi yoke. Maybe it's related to that. I tried the registry tweak provided on the midi yoke site but it didn't help...but it could still be a midi yoke related problem.

Or maybe as Fabi suggested it's an sound card driver issue and I have to try ASIO drivers.

FYI - my pc is a new Dell 3 ghz, w/ soundblaster live card. Nothing old and nothing fancy or unusual.

Jay

pHz · Post by **pHz** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:41 pm

ASIO would deffo help ... if youre on a soundblaster dont know whether ASIO4all would work but i think it should be OK (seem to remember trying it on my old soundblaster USB a while ago) ...

slainte

rob

Audiomulch & Midi/VSTs