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Igor 4000 · Post by **Igor 4000** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:24 am

If the devs are saying that they're getting good results with their auto eq, then it's worth noting. These guys know what they're doing. Earle Holder, for example, is a professional mastering engineer; Public Enemy often mention him as their go-to guy.

I think HarBal is an amazing tool as it is right now, so anything on top of that is gravy.

OMU · Post by **OMU** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:25 am

"auto-mastering word"

OMU · Post by **OMU** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:32 am

I think they should focus on improving the quality of the eq instead of taking it in a new direction. This move won't attract the pro engineers, that's for sure.
While I thought Har-Bal was a good idea (as a concept) their marketing strategy seems to me all wrong.
It's a pity as I hoped they will bring substantial improvements in sound quality instead of another product.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:34 pm

Exactly..

Toonyfish · Post by **Toonyfish** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:23 pm

Has anyone done a head to head comparing AAMS and Har-Bal? I just downloaded the AAMS demo. They give a generous 21 days to try out the full demo. I may give the 8 bit Har-Bal a spin too even though it's an 8 bit demo. I've already read a bunch of good stuff about Har-Bal though.

Toonyfish

AKJ · Post by **AKJ** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:41 pm

I will wait for CurveEQ 3. I suggested Aleksey to implement an automatic smoothing mode (which basically is what Harbal 2 seems to do) and he said he would implement that in V3. And I think nobody doubts the grteat soudn quality of CurveEQ

AKJ

Lagrange · Post by **Lagrange** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:53 pm

This has got to be one of the most important subjects regarding mixing or mastering. I recently purchased Elemental Audio Systems Firium to analyze and keep my mix in check. Let me tell you IT HAS HELPED MY MIX 2000%. My issue with har-bal is does it fill/take from an uneven spectrum, Or try to model from other systems? And what does it "fill" the gaps with?

C

drinelli · Post by **drinelli** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:59 pm

May I come with a dump question too, What is "AAMS", and what does it have to do with Firium, Firium is a nice program, but Harbal sounds better in my opinion.

AKJ · Post by **AKJ** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:59 pm

I guess filling the gaps means just an algorithm which makes the average sprectrum of the track more even, that is frequency bands which are peaking out will be levelled and "wholes" will be boosted. At least this is what I would do when I had to code an automatic EQ.

AKJ

Lagrange · Post by **Lagrange** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:59 pm

Oh and by the way for all you pro TDM engineers is this comparable to DUY Magic EQ??

http://www.duystore.com/com/magiceq.html

C

Lagrange · Post by **Lagrange** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:02 pm

Ok AKJ that makes sense but let me ask this.. what would happen if a portion of the spectrum was actually missing, was non existant...??? I guess I will have to try out the demo...

C

Lagrange · Post by **Lagrange** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:24 pm

Ok this is confusing... if I have take a file out of my mix and fix it then put it back into my mix isnt that going to create spikes all over again?

C

AKJ · Post by **AKJ** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:32 pm

cdunkeroo wrote:Ok AKJ that makes sense but let me ask this.. what would happen if a portion of the spectrum was actually missing, was non existant...??? I guess I will have to try out the demo...

C

If you did not apply a filter to the complete mix it is not possible that a band (within the usual range) is completely missing. However, results will of course be better if your wholes are not "deep".

akj

Lagrange · Post by **Lagrange** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:02 pm

AKJ its just that I use frequecy domain software to separate out instruments from drum etc and I often end up with empty spaces. This calls for some serious "pitch trickery" and I was wondering how HAR-BAL would help this situation out..

c

kylen · Post by **kylen** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:10 pm

"Grandpa?". "Yes son." "Tell me the story again about how you used to have to listen to a song and push those funny knobs to make it sound right, what was it?". "It was a parametric eq" replied Granpa with a small tear welling up in the corner of his eye as he pushed the 'Pop 2001' button on the auto-master before falling asleep where marvelous visions of Curves and Q's danced thru his head.

Har Bal Version 2