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bmanic - I never tried example 1 or 2 cos example 3 had the most appealing sound, but I'll give it a go... :D

kylen - The best way to look at Neodynium is... it lets you compress different levels of audio independently. Basically the zones represent volume ranges... if you wanted neodynium to function kinda like a normal compressor, you remove the other three zones, and leave one. However, what's cool is that by using the zones, you can apply different amounts of compression/expansion to different ranges of volume. It literally lets you extracts sounds you'd like to emphasis with ease. My description here probably doesn't do it justice, but the manual is really good at describing how it works... at which point I found it easier to understand than any compressor I've ever tried. Basically what you see in that graph is a visual representation of how the input audio on the left will be squeezed/expanded into the volume ranges on the right. Attack/Release are pretty much the sample as any comrpessor. Instead of a Multi-Band (frequency) compressor... it's like a Multi-Level (volume) comrpessor...

Gonna try one of the other examples... they are pretty squished, but I'll try...
ModuLR / Radio

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hey folks, any idea how I can change the topic title as bMatic suggested please ? I can't seem to find the option :D

I get my "good" computer built tonight coz my other one died. So I can hopefully post my sample tonight :D yey, and don't worry bMatic, I don't plan to mention which compresor I used until I hear the opinions :) That's a great idea :D

Cheers
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soundpalace wrote:hey folks, any idea how I can change the topic title as bMatic suggested please ? I can't seem to find the option :D
you just need to edit your first post in this thread - that way you can also change the thread-title! ;-) :-)

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thanks mr jens :D i'll do it now

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okee doke...

so here is my attempt at example1...

example1 -> original from bmanic
example1 -> neodynium

and here is another example of neodynium removing the cymbols around the drums. I've always had a hard time doing this with regular compressors (tho I know it's possible). I do stuff like that to extract drums for layering and what not... kinda like a gate, but I like it better... :nutter: cos sometimes I just wanna push the surrounding sound further back but not remove it (tho I pretty much removed it in this example). :shrug: :hihi:

GatedTypeExample -> neodynium
ModuLR / Radio

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Good work, Mod! Not that I liked it.

************ HERETIC WARNING **********************
If you're happy with the over-processed sounds of modern recording you may be offended by the following:


I didn't like any of the compression examples. I liked the original best. It's so much better to just turn up the volume. Sushi-sound for me - Raw and Uncooked.

Granted these were hideously squashed, but the point was made how wonderful it was in the 'mu' even at insane levels. But it just sounded insane to me.

What I dislike in most of the examples was how the snare lost its life and snap. How the 'feel' was squashed. How the spatial perspective was whacked. And how phasey the cymbals sound. Except in your gated example, Mod. Nice work. No more pesky cymbals. Although even in the original file the cymbals have some phasiness, perhaps not a brilliant mic setup to begin with. Even still, I just like the raw vibe better. Thanks to the volume wars, it's rare to get real dynamic range. This is why live music is still best. It can breathe.

Thanks to everyone for contributing. I keep wondering why I can't find the 'magic voodoo' compressor. Now I'm realizing, I don't really like the concept. It's more work, but I'm happiest with time spent upfront on the tune, the player, the room and mic setup. Does no one but me find these over-hyped 'dynamics' processing tools ultimately self-defeating? Not that I have anything against mashing stuff up, but a good mash needn't cost $4,000!

Sorry if this seemed a boring purist tirade. But thanks, for saving me thousands on a toob mu comp, hundreds more on comp plugs and million of hours reading Compressor threads. Now I can put it all towards the 'UltraWonderSmoothVerbSpace' VST! :hihi:
perception: the stuff reality is made of.

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truthfully, I do see your point bud. However, in a loud mix, especially a style like rock / emocore / pop punk where you need a lot of energy. An uncompressed drum kit sounds far too snappy and less tight than a well compressed kit. I and I'm sure most others, would never compress the entire drum kit THIS much, usually we compress each individual drum kit component and then put a light compressor over the drum submix. I'll see if I can provide a little demo to show what I mean soon. But the computer is still dead :D

Cheerios
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mandolarian wrote:Good work, Mod! Not that I liked it.

************ HERETIC WARNING **********************
If you're happy with the over-processed sounds of modern recording you may be offended by the following:


I didn't like any of the compression examples. I liked the original best. It's so much better to just turn up the volume. Sushi-sound for me - Raw and Uncooked.

Granted these were hideously squashed, but the point was made how wonderful it was in the 'mu' even at insane levels. But it just sounded insane to me.
Could be that you missed the point a bit.. not read the whole thread?

The point with squasing the living daylights out of the original file was to showcase the artefacts that compressors start showing clearly after severe abuse (also present at moderate and minimal settings although less obvious, naturally). That's the point. It wasn't even supposed to sound "in context" from a musical point of view. I'd say most examples posted here would be quite hard to put in a musical context (well, maybe some experimental bigbeat tunes..).

With my original post of all the different examples I tried to show how compressors 'behave' and that behaviour can be more easily understood when the compressor is driven hard. If I'd post subtle squashing of a beat I'd get complaints like "I don't hear any difference", "I don't get it, any compressor can do that!", etc.

So, in short: This thread is NOT about the loop in a music context but rather an exploration and a show case about the differences in compressors. :)

Cheers!
bManic
Last edited by bmanic on Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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mandolarian wrote: Sorry if this seemed a boring purist tirade. But thanks, for saving me thousands on a toob mu comp, hundreds more on comp plugs and million of hours reading Compressor threads. Now I can put it all towards the 'UltraWonderSmoothVerbSpace' VST! :hihi:
Ironically, the compressor in question, that home built tube wonder is at it's best when compressing extremely subtly. It's probably the only compressor you'd be able to put on even classical music.

I'll try to post a snippet from a whole mix ran trough the unit but I need to find some non-copyrighted well mixed/produced material.

:)

- bManic

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Mandolorian , I dont like buss compresion that
much and Im into dance/electronic music, so go
figure :)
And about heretic part, u will be in good company
of stevie albini to name just one of big guns
who hate compressors , so dont
worry :)
And finaly big guyz say that subtle and educated
use of buss comp is mandatory for big production
http://www.mbrauer.com/articles/tapeop.asp?pp=1

u are probably refering to distasteful use of
limiting in mastering. Nothing kills drums as quickly
as L2. No compressors to blame

back on topic later
urosh

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Oh yea,
great work ModuLR, more on that later
(when u get your nose out of Symphony or
Xpress or whatever u edit on :), and I get more
free time for listening. BTW I consider
builtin comp in Avid Symphony to be one of the
worst in the world, wierd ?)

urosh

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mandolarian, you might wan't to check out PSP (masterp)
the upcomming URS or if you got the bling bling,
Algorithmix upcomming linear pressor.
Black text on a white canvas, do racist people close their eyes when they read a book?

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Algorithmix coming out with a compressor? Nice.. gotta keep my eyes and ears on this one. Thanks for the info!

Cheers!
bManic

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bmanic wrote:Algorithmix coming out with a compressor?
Yes, and it will only cost 2699$! :hihi:

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Mandolarian... compressions role depends largely on intention... if I'm listening to a little Gilberto Gil... I love the space and the dynamics... if I'm listening to some nutty ass breakcore... well I honestly want a wall of ear fatiguing sound. :nutter: :hihi:

urosh... we dont' even dare perform any audio tweaks in the avids here... it all goes for proper sweetening... hehehe.
ModuLR / Radio

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