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SephDM · Post by **SephDM** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:38 am

I am attempting to use it in SX3 on a lead guit track that was recorded dry through the mixer, good levels.

I have umpty presets but everything gives so much feed and dirty noise its almost unusable even when tweaked.

What would be the best limiter vst or dx out there cuz the ones in Guitar Rig suck. If I could cut off the between real note dirt it would be workable.

And didn't they realise NIGR would be a silly acronym?

Seph

LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY · Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:42 am

because it uses inverse polarity modulators oh the nearest neighbor interpolation... I would have gone with dual transistor modeling through an FIR flux filtering transform.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:45 am

It's not all about the levels. Did you use a DI box to record the guitar?

SephDM · Post by **SephDM** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:46 am

Don't need one, I'm going thru behringer mixer.

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:48 am

Why is Guitar Rig so DIRTY?
I don't know but I can confirm it.
This is part of the reason I prefer Amplitube.
I read something about noise reduction in Guitar Rig 2.
As far as gate I use the one built in the Kjaerhus GAC-1.
It does an excellent job but it's much more then just a gate and it's priced accordingly.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:49 am

SephDM wrote:Don't need one, I'm going thru behringer mixer.

So, there you got your answer.
Try with some decent DI box and a line level driver and you'll see (err... hear) the difference.

SephDM · Post by **SephDM** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:53 am

ty for your replies thus far, feel free to share if you dare to care.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:31 am

Out of my 3 methods of getting my signal into the computer (Behringer UB802 mixer, ART TubeMP, Behringer GDI21) the mixer is the 'noisiest' of the three.

Problems are exascerbated by having electromagnetic interference in your space (ie. CRT monitors and fluorescent lights), ground loops in your equipment chain, "dirty" AC power, crappy electronics in the guitar itself, and poor cables.

I'd say that the GR is probably the least of your worries.

Even in as pristine a setting as a project studio can get, you're going to get a bit of extra noise as you add gain and distortion to your signal.

BUT, if you're a guitarist at all, you're probably already aware of 'acceptable' levels of noise-- meaning that if the noise levels you're currently getting are NOT acceptable, it's probably something else affecting your signal rather than GR itself.

Greg

butter · Post by **butter** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:01 am

Sascha Franck wrote:
SephDM wrote:Don't need one, I'm going thru behringer mixer.
So, there you got your answer.
Try with some decent DI box and a line level driver and you'll see (err... hear) the difference.

Yeah, while Behringers are a bargain they tend to have a lot of really noticeable noise. The problem is that GuitarRig is picking up the noise that was already there.

AudioWhore · Post by **AudioWhore** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:44 am

The compressor effects tend to accentuate noise aswell. Try muting that in guitar rig.

ew · Post by ew » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:11 am

Sascha Franck wrote:
SephDM wrote:Don't need one, I'm going thru behringer mixer.
So, there you got your answer.
Try with some decent DI box and a line level driver and you'll see (err... hear) the difference.

Exactly

Remember; 1s and 0s DON'T make noise, but impedance mismatches, level mismatches and poor gain staging on the user's part WILL.
ew

lfm · Post by **lfm** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:07 pm

My guess is that there is a compression algorithm involved internally in GR, and that brings up noise when silent.

If they do not have a gate to go with it, it's rather poor design.

And if it's internal in the preset you are using, it's not so much you can do.

Try a simple gate like:
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1297.html

multree · Post by **multree** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:29 pm

oh very old news BUT

get away from the screen while playing

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:30 pm

So, there you got your answer.
Try with some decent DI box and a line level driver and you'll see (err... hear) the difference.

Hey Sascha! Can you recommend a good DI box - there are too amny choices - I and still chasing a good clean tone along with a strong Sci-like slightly dirty sustain. NOw I have never used a line level driver. What is that and can you reccommend one.

Sorry for a multitude of questionms but I hate asking the guitar jocks at my local shop who often look askance when an old guy like me is fishing for tips.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:11 pm

Gordon, I'd check out the Audiobuddy from M-Audio. It's inexpensive, suited for instrument signals and brings your signal up to line level just fine. I think they've got two different versions, just have a look at them.
You can of course use any decent preamp with a DI box in front (well, some offer hi-z inputs, no need for a DI box then), but from my own experience it seems to be that at least most mixer channels simply won't do the job as good - for whatever reasons.