I'm am looking for organ sample libraries for Ensoniq EPS or ASR 10(ie. B3, B4, Rock, Jazz, Church?, etc.). Any leads, ideas where to buy or download shareware? Post or email thanks
Mars
... but the belts' already tight! I'll get another job at night...
Ensoniq EPS & ASR 10
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- KVRer
- 10 posts since 29 Jun, 2005
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- KVRian
- 901 posts since 1 Dec, 2003
These two sites might have what you need...
http://www.soundcentral.com/
http://www.syntaur.com/asr.html
maybe some direction here...
http://www.synthzone.com/ensoniq.htm
and also here...
http://www.esqbase.de/php/index.php3?ri ... 76078827bb
(you have to register to poke around in the last link)
That's all I know of off the top of my head. Chicken Systems may have sounds, but I'm not sure.
http://www.chickensystems.com/
Good luck on your quest!
http://www.soundcentral.com/
http://www.syntaur.com/asr.html
maybe some direction here...
http://www.synthzone.com/ensoniq.htm
and also here...
http://www.esqbase.de/php/index.php3?ri ... 76078827bb
(you have to register to poke around in the last link)
That's all I know of off the top of my head. Chicken Systems may have sounds, but I'm not sure.
http://www.chickensystems.com/
Good luck on your quest!
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 10 posts since 29 Jun, 2005
Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I've looked there but nothing sparked me.
Mars
Mars
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- KVRist
- 446 posts since 24 Apr, 2002
Rubber Chicken (also Chicken Systems) has the Ultimate Organ Library, which is pretty good but isn't up to other libs that are out there.
Remember that the ASR-10 imports Akai S-1000 and Roland CD's, so if you can find some Akai (not S-3000 though) or Roland organ libs, that's a possiblity.
Remember, and for full disclosure I'm a company employee, Translator by Chicken Systems www.chickensys.com supports converting sounds to Ensoniq. Find a good sound library even in Giga, SoundFonts, or other, and you can convert it into Ensoniq format. It can exceed 16mb (max for the ASR-10), and Translator will handle it, but don't get something REALLY big like Sonic Implants or else it won't import well. But like a 32-80mb organ instrument would do.
Find a good SoundFont at www.hammersound.net and go from there.
Remember that the ASR-10 imports Akai S-1000 and Roland CD's, so if you can find some Akai (not S-3000 though) or Roland organ libs, that's a possiblity.
Remember, and for full disclosure I'm a company employee, Translator by Chicken Systems www.chickensys.com supports converting sounds to Ensoniq. Find a good sound library even in Giga, SoundFonts, or other, and you can convert it into Ensoniq format. It can exceed 16mb (max for the ASR-10), and Translator will handle it, but don't get something REALLY big like Sonic Implants or else it won't import well. But like a 32-80mb organ instrument would do.
Find a good SoundFont at www.hammersound.net and go from there.
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- KVRian
- 769 posts since 2 Apr, 2005
FWIW - I used to own an EPS16+ when they first came out. Hammond organ sounds are very important to me, and naturally I tried to get organ sounds with that sampler. It has good leslie effect, so I thought that should be easy. I had a good friend with a great Hammond organ. We sampled the guts out of it - short samples of pure drawbar tone straight from the preamp. They looped perfectly, and I thought I was onto something good. BUT - the big problem with ANY synth or sampler playing pure organ sounds is the lack of syncronicity. Organ tones are basically made out of sine waves. What happens when you stack sinewaves out of phase? They cancel. What happens when you stack sinewaves in phase? They sum (get louder). What happens if you trigger samples (or oscillators) from midi notes and try to play chords? They randomly sum or cancel, depending on when you hit them. That is very disturbing. With a real hammond, you can play any combination of notes and they never cancel or crap out.
SO - I saw an ad for a VOCE tonewheel organ module. I thought - great, just what I need. I imported it from the States, and was utterly disappointed. This module was actually worse than my EPS16+. It used short samples, and displayed all the problems of phase cancellation crappiness.
Over the years, I tried all sorts of things. Some synths almost got away with it, buy detuning or layering or vibrato. Put you could never get that pure, laser-sharp hammond tone. And distortion? Forget it!
As samplers got better, you could get long samples of the actual leslie sound. That takes a while to loop, and you need a lot of samples. You sort of don't hear the phase cancellations because the leslie sound is so complex. BUT - you can't speed up or slow down the leslie. AND - playing chords of leslie'd notes is nothing like putting the pure chords through a leslie.
The Suzuki and Roland organs are fairly good - the newer ones anyway. But the price!! Heart attack.
The NI B4 software was the first ray of hope. But one day in desperation I ranted on an internet forum about how nobody had solved this problem of synchronicity. And P J Geerlings told me that he didn't believe me.
But - about 6 months later he tells me that he has designed a VST organ that works the way I described. It's simply the best organ you can get, and it's still being developed under the name Tonewhls and NubiLE. Combined with some tube distortion (or a good plugin) and a leslie (or a good plugin) it's the real deal. Very satisfying. The EPS16+ is a fun sampler for lots of things, but do check out www.nubi3.com
Maybe make your own samples from Nubi, if you need to use the sampler for live - but you'll probably be frustrated like I was.
SO - I saw an ad for a VOCE tonewheel organ module. I thought - great, just what I need. I imported it from the States, and was utterly disappointed. This module was actually worse than my EPS16+. It used short samples, and displayed all the problems of phase cancellation crappiness.
Over the years, I tried all sorts of things. Some synths almost got away with it, buy detuning or layering or vibrato. Put you could never get that pure, laser-sharp hammond tone. And distortion? Forget it!
As samplers got better, you could get long samples of the actual leslie sound. That takes a while to loop, and you need a lot of samples. You sort of don't hear the phase cancellations because the leslie sound is so complex. BUT - you can't speed up or slow down the leslie. AND - playing chords of leslie'd notes is nothing like putting the pure chords through a leslie.
The Suzuki and Roland organs are fairly good - the newer ones anyway. But the price!! Heart attack.
The NI B4 software was the first ray of hope. But one day in desperation I ranted on an internet forum about how nobody had solved this problem of synchronicity. And P J Geerlings told me that he didn't believe me.
But - about 6 months later he tells me that he has designed a VST organ that works the way I described. It's simply the best organ you can get, and it's still being developed under the name Tonewhls and NubiLE. Combined with some tube distortion (or a good plugin) and a leslie (or a good plugin) it's the real deal. Very satisfying. The EPS16+ is a fun sampler for lots of things, but do check out www.nubi3.com
Maybe make your own samples from Nubi, if you need to use the sampler for live - but you'll probably be frustrated like I was.
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- KVRian
- 911 posts since 1 Dec, 2003 from tejas
As I recall, I was fairly polite in my dis-belief back then -- there were others in that particular thread that were less cordialgreendoor wrote:The NI B4 software was the first ray of hope. But one day in desperation I ranted on an internet forum about how nobody had solved this problem of synchronicity. And P J Geerlings told me that he didn't believe me.
But - about 6 months later he tells me that he has designed a VST organ that works the way I described....
-pj